[qadianism] Re: The Finality of Prophethood - Guidance of the Messenger of Allah(SAW)
By aa3 @axe.humboldt.edu
5:32pm
Fri
5
Feb

Dear Mr. Rashid: We should be honest when quoting from others' work. Mirza
Sahib himself said that before Allah (SWA) revealed to him the he is the
Issa and the Mahdi, he used to interpret 'khatam an nabiyyeen' as the last
prophet. You have quoted him before his announcement of being 'promised
Messiah'. You would not find such meanings in his later writings. But this
is not something that happened to Mirza Sahib only. All prophets had
performed social mores as were existing. For exampl, the prophet had eleven
wives but did not get another wife when Allah (SWA) revealed the limit to
him. Similarly the status of the prophet was a nabi first and then
Allah(SWA) raised it to Rahmatullialameen. So please when you quote
something, be honest and pay attention to for and against arguments.
Otherwise your opinion is nothing but a biased piece, in research
terminology they call it plagiarism. Now coming to the scholars I quoted.
They had the same interpretation of 'khatamannabiyyeen' as the Ahmadis. Do
you call them 'munkareen e khatam e nabuwwat and kafirs' as you call
Ahmadis. Please state on this site clearly that these ulema, such as Maulana
Nanautvi, Maulana  As- Sherani, Sh. Wali Ullah Delhvi' and all others who
agree with Ahmadiyya interpretation are kafirs. Your honest research based
response will be highly appreciated. 

>Dear Mr Abdul Aziz
>
>As an Ahmadi, the saying of your so-called 'prophet', Mirza Ghulam should be
>more reliabale than any of the following scholars which you have quoted. Mirza
>Ghulam Ahmad has used the word 'Khatam' in the following similar situations,
>all having the same meaning:
>
>1)  KHATAM-UL-WALAD - the Last Son!
>"I WAS KAHTAM-UL-WALAD (Seal of Son) FOR MY FATHER. NO CHILD WAS BORN AFTER
>ME." (Braheen Ahmadiyya part 5, Roohani Khazain, vol. 21 p. 113)
>
>2)  KHATAM-UL-ANBIYAH - THE LAST PROPHET
>"EISA Ibne MARYAM WAS THE KHATAM-UL-ANBIYAH FOR THE ISRAELITE PROPHETS."
>(Braheen Ahmadiyya part 5, Roohani Khazain vol.21 p.267)
>
>3)  KHATAM-UL-KHULAFA - The Last Khalifa
>"ACCORDING TO SPIRITUALITY I AM THE KHATAM-UL-KHULAFA IN ISLAM, JUST AS MASEEH
>IBNE MARYAM IS THE KHATAM-UL-KHULAFA IN ISRAELITE CHAIN." (Kishtee-e-Nooh,
>Roohani Khazain vol.19 p.17)
>
>Above quotations from the books of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, clearly proves
>that by the word 'KHATAM' Mirza Ghulam Ahmad meant 'FINAL' or something which
>has been sealed. Question is WHY THE MEANING OF THE SAME WORD IS CHANGED when
>it comes to KHATAM-UN-NABIEEN?
>
>Wassalam
>Rashid
>
>Abdul Aziz wrote:
>
>> I am an Ahmadi. Your assertion that Khatam an nabiyyeen means the last
>> prophet is wrong. Also you are wrong when you say that there has been a
>> universal agreement on this meaning. I give you three examples of past
>> Muslim scholars who died before the advent of Ahmadiyyat and believed that
>> the term does not mean the last prophet. (1).Maulana Muhammad Qasim
>> Nanautvi (Founder of the Deoband Madrassa) says,"If another prophet had
>> appeared during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad (SAS) the khatamiyyat
>> would have been valid. ..page 18, Tehzeer an Naas. Maulana Sahib continues
>> and on page 18 states,"If a prophet appears after the life of Prophet
>> Muhammad (SAS) even then the khatamiyyat is continued... page 34, Tehzeer
>> an Naas. He also says, "It is among the commoners that khatam an nabiyyeen
>> means the last prophet. However, the enlightened people know that there is
>> no superiority in being the last or the first prophet. How is then the
>> meaning 'last prophet' correct?...page 4 & 5. Tehzeer an Naas. (2). Syed
>> Abdul Wahab Asherani on pages 38 & 39 of Kitab al Yawaqeet wal Jawahar
>> says "Khatam an Nabiyyeen means the last law-bearing prophet. It does not
>> mean the last in time prophet". He goes on to prove his point by using a
>> hadith about Kaiser, the Roman Empror.(3).IAbdur Rahman Bin Ahmad Aljami,
>> on pages 279 and 280 says, "The term khatam an Nabiyyeen means the prophet
>> whose sharia will not be abrogated by any new prophet. It does not mean
>> the last in time prophet". For the rest of references please go to
>> Ahmadiyya web page...www. Ahmadiyya.com. There are a number of such
>> references. Last it is not just to present evidence that favors you only.
>> Be God fearing and present the whole evidence. Also Ahmadis never say that
>> this term has not been controversial. We only say that there have been
>> ulema on both the sides.
>>
>> On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, imam wrote:
>>
>> > Allah(SWT) has decreed in the holy Quran:
>> >
>> >     "And We never sent a messenger save with the language
>> >     of his folk, that he [Hazrat Muhammad(SAW)] might make
>> >     (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom
>> >     He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty,
>> >     the Wise."  (The Holy Quran, Ibrahim 14:4)
>> >
>> >     "It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter
>> >     has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any
>> >     option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and
>> >     His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path."
>> >         (The Holy Quran, Al-Ahzab 33:36)
>> >
>> > Below, please find a few of the over two hundred hadith of the
>> > holy Prophet, Muhammad(SAW), in this regard.  Take heed, oh
>> > you who claim to believe in divinity of Islam and prophethood of
>> > Muhammad(SAW).  Save your souls and that of your families.
>> >
>> > The Messenger of Allah(SAW) said:
>> >
>> >     "There will arise thirty impostors in my Ummah and each one
>> >     of them will pronounce to the world that he is a prophet, but I
>> >     am the last in the line of the Prophets of God and no Prophet
>> >     will come after me."
>> >     (Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi)
>> >
>> >     "My position in relation to the prophets who came before me
>> >     can be explained by the following example: A man erected a
>> >     building and adorned this edifice with great beauty, but he left
>> >     an empty niche, in the corner where just one brick was missing.
>> >     People looked around the building and marveled at its beauty,
>> >     but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche? I am
>> >     like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in the line of
>> >     the Prophets."
>> >     (Bukhari, Muslim,Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmad,
>> >     Musnad Abu Dawud Tayalisi, Babu Khatimin-Nabiyyin)
>> >
>> >     "I am Muhammad, I am Ahmad, I am the effacer and infidelity
>> >     shall be erased through me; I am the assembler. People shall
>> >     be assembled on Doomsday after my time. And I am the last
>> >     in the sense that no prophet shall succeed me."
>> >     (Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Muatta)
>> >
>> >     "We are the last (ummah) but will precede all on the Day of
>> >     Resurrection except that the Book was given to them before us."
>> >     (Bukhari, Muslim)
>> >
>> >     "No Prophet will come after me and there will, therefore, be
>> >     no other community of followers of any new Prophet."
>> >     (Baihaqi, Tabarani)
>> >
>> >     "The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet
>> >     passed away, another prophet succeeded him. But no
>> >     prophet will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me."
>> >     (Bukhari)
>> >
>> >     "The chain of Messengers and Prophets has come to an end.
>> >     There shall be no Messenger nor Prophet after me."
>> >     (Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmad, Anas bin Malik)
>> >
>> >     "I am Muhammad, the unlettered prophet of Allah. I am
>> >     Muhammad, the unlettered prophet of Allah. I am Muhammad,
>> >     the unlettered prophet of Allah. There will be no prophet after
>> >     me."    (Musnad Ahmad)
>> >
>> >     More quotes may be found at:
>> >     http://www.irshad.org/idara/qadiani/knabuwat.htm
>> >
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Abdul Aziz
School of Business & Economics
Humboldt State University
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