[qadianism] Re: The Finality of Prophethood - Concensus of Scholars
By aa3 @axe.humboldt.edu
5:31pm
Fri
5
Feb

>Mr Abdul Aziz
>
>Are you trying to tell us that Mirza Ghulam has not claimed to be the law
>bearing prophet? I think you should read his books more carefully.You don't
even
>know what he has written himself. Yes it is true that your Jamaat always
>propagate that Mirza Saheb is not a law bearing prophet but this is not true.
>This point was even raised in the life of Mirza Saheb
>and this is what he said:
>
>"Besides understand this also that what is the Law (Shariat)? He who
>described through his revelation some Amr-o-Nahi (orders and prohibitions)
>and made a law for his followers, he becomes Law Bearing Prophet.
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Mr. Rashid: I reassert that Mirza Sahib never claimed to be a law bearing
prophet. I know  what I and other members of the Jamaat Ahmadiyya believe..
May be you have learned about Ahmadiyyat> But your objective is different.
If you are interested in an unbised analysis of what you read you will
always draw wrong conclusions. Look  Reverend Wherry read Quran
thoroughlyand published a commentary. Unfortunately all his knowledge of
Quran led him to say,"Muhammad was an imposter". Naoozbillah. When you read
the writings of Mirza Sahib you wear Rev. Wherry's shoes. When an Ahmadi
reads it he wears the shoes of Abu Bakar Siddiq. The reason I say so is that
you have come up with strange definition of 'law bearing prophet'. Before I
go into this aspect I ask you a question: can a non-law bearing prophet from
inside the ummah of Muhammad (SAS) come? I shall be able to respond to you
after I see your answer to my question.
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>according to this definition... my revelation also contains order and
>prohibitions. For example this inspiration: 'Qul lil mo'mineen yaghuddoo min
>absaare him wa tahfezoo furoojahum zzalika azkaa" This is mentioned in
>Braheen Ahmadiyya and it contains order adn prohibition as well and 23 years
>have passed on this and similarly until now my revelation contains orders as
>well as prohibitions. If you say that Law (shariat) is that law which is new
>then this is false." (Roohani Khazain vol.17 p. 435 footnote)
>
>Isn't it enough proof that Mirza Saheb considered himself to be a Law
>Bearing Prophet?
>
>He enjoined upon his followers to be faithful to the British Government (Amr)
>and Abrogated Jehad, which is the essence of Islam.
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Dr.
Rashid:---------------------------------------------------------------------
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You say that Jihad is the essence of Islam. There are two types of Jihad:
One with sword, the other with Quran.  Prophet Muhammad (SAS) himself that
when my Issa will come he will cancel Jihad (yaqta ul Jihad). By cancelling
he did nt mean that it will be abrogated for ever. Mirza Sahib said that
Jihad against the British was wrong because they had occpied the whole
country and were not persecuting Muslims for their religion. Even being
christians they permitted Muslims and other to criticize christianity. If
you doubt my statement that the British were not good enough then please see
the statement of other ulema living at time :Maulan Zafar Ali Khan, Sir Syed
Ahmad Khan, even Maulana Maudoodi and Maulana Sana Ullah Amritsari. See how
they praised the British because the British saved them fron the tyranny of
Sikh rule in the Punjab and Marhattas in the central provinces. My question
to you: "Do you have any information additional to information available to
the above quoted ulema. On what basis do you say that Mirza Sahib was wrong
and the other ulema were right?"
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>"From my early age till now when I am 65 years of age, I have been engaged ,
>with my pen and tongue, in an important task to turn the hearts of  Muslims
>towards the true love & Goodwill & sympathy for the British Government and to
>obliterate the idea of Jehad from the hearts of stupid  (Muslims). "
>(Kitab-ul-Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol 13 p.350)
>
>" . . . . for the sake of British Government, I have published & distributed
>50,000 leaflets in this country (India) other Islamic countries(against jehad).
>. . . the result is that hundreds of thousands of people have given up their
>filthy ideas about Jihad." (Roohani Khazain vol 15 p.114)
>
>"The severity of Jehad i.e. religious wars have been gradually diminished by
>God. In the time of Hazrat Moses it was so severe that even accepting the faith
>was not sufficient to save someone from getting killed and even the infants
were
>killed. The in the time of our Prophet SAAW it was forbidden to kill children
>and old and women....and then IN THE TIME OF PROMISED MESSIAH THE ORDER OF
JEHAD
>HAS BEEN TOTALLY ABROGATED."
>(Arba'een No. 4 p. 12, footnote. Roohani Khazain vol 17 p. 443 by Mirza Ghulam
>Ahmad)
>
>
>> The only consensus among Muslim scholars is
>> that Muhammad (SAS) is the last law bearing prophet and no prophet who
>> will abrogate his Sharia will appear.
>
>Don't you think that Mirza Ghulam has abrogated Jehad? Mirza says the
following:
>
>"FROM TODAY THE HUMAN JEHAD WHICH WAS DONE BY SWORD, HAS BEEN ABOLISHED BY THE
>ORDER OF GOD. IF NOW ANYONE WHO RAISES A SWORD ON KAAFIR AND CALLS HIMSELF A
>GHAZI, HE IS DISOBEYING THAT PROPHET saaw, who had said 1300 years ago that
>after the coming of Promised Messiah all Jehads with swords will be abolished.
>Thus AFTER MY ARRIVAL THERE IS NO JEHAD WITH SWORD. We have raised the white
>flag of peace and truce." (Tabligh-e-Risalat vol 9 p. 47. Collection of
>Advertisements vol 3 p. 295)
>
>"O friends! Leave the thoughts of Jehad
>It is HARAM now to fight and kill for religion
>Now the Messiah has come who is the leader of Deen
>All religious wars have now ended
>Divine light is now descending from heavens
>It is useless to give the FATWA fro Jehad
>He, who is engaged in Jehad, is the enemy of God
>He is the disbeliever of Prophet SAAW who believes in it."
>(Poetry of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in Urdu, Collection of advertisements, vol 3 pp.
>297-298, Roohani Khazain vol. 7 p. 77)
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Let me tell you that it is not Mirza Sahib only in whose time a certain
portion of practice was temporarily suspended. Look at the new and old
testament. Issa (AS) is a non-law bearing prophet. He said "I come to
fullfil only." He was a Jew and followed the Mosaic Law. But in his time the
Jewish law: a tooth for a tooth was suspended and forgiveness was made
mandatory. Please understand the point: Mirza Sahib never said that he is a
law bearing prophet. No Ahmadi believes otherwise. Wassalaam who follow the
hadith, quran and sunnah
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>Wassalam on those who follwo the hidayah
>
>Rashid
>
>
>> On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, imam wrote:
>
>http://alhafeez.org/rashid/
>[Verily in the Remembrance of Allah do hearts find Peace.(alQuran)]
> rasye-@emirates.net.ae 
> rasyed5-@hotmail.com 
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Abdul Aziz
School of Business & Economics
Humboldt State University
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