Message
[qadianism] Re: Regarding Views/Quotations on Finality of Prophet
By irshad
8:11 pm
Sat
6
Feb

In the Name of Allah(SWT) and Peace and Blessings be upon
Rasulollah(SAW).

 < pine.osf.3.96.990206110619.29979c-10000-@axe.humboldt.edu > wrote: 
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/qadianism/?start=60
> 
> Mr Suheil: I have four complete references... If you are in the 
> U.S. I can mail them to you.

I have read the books of Maulana Nanautvi and others, when I was 
a student in Islamic Universities Pakistan and Saudia Arabia.
Unfortunately, I do not have these books in my possession, but I
have my notes and know for sure that your quotes do not represent
the opinion of these scholars.

I would like to receive the material you mentioned, as soon as 
possible, so that I may check them for authenticity.  Kindly 
send a copy to:

   Idara Dawat-O-Irshad, USA Inc.
   P.O. Box 22885
   Alexandria, VA  22304

> (2). Your idea that some of the past well recognized Muslim 
> scholars should be declared as kafirs for their (in your opinion)
> incorrect interpretation does not have merit.  To do so would 
> imply that you are a more learned person than those scholars. 
> Do you have any logical argument to prove that?

As an observer, I have to point out that this is not what brother
Suheil wrote.  He rightly pointed out that the highest authority
for believers should be Quran and Hadith (followed by opinion of
sahaba and Ijma).  As I pointed out, I disagree with your claim 
that the quotes mentioned by you are representative of the opinion
of these scholars, however, if an scholar ever said anything that 
disagreed with what Allah(SWT) and His Messenger(SAW) have said, 
should we not reject his opinion?!

Obviously, we should.  After all, Muslims follow Allah(SWT) and 
His last Prophet Muhammad(SAW) and know that any one person is 
only a human being and, as such, can not know everything and may
make inadvertent mistakes.  Once more, I like to elaborate that
it is impossible that any scholar of repute would have made a 
mistake on khatme-nabuwwat, since that is supported by injunction
from almost 100 ayat, 200 ahadeeth, action of companions, and 
Ijma for 1400 years.

Unfortunately, you appear to have forgotten the quotes posted by
our Idara at the beginning of this exchange.  I believe, if you
look again, all the towering scholars of Islam were mentioned. 
They agreed that claimant and supporters of someone's claim to 
prophethood are to be viewed as unbelievers.  Imam Abu Hanifah(R)
even issued the fatwa that just by asking for proof from the 
claimant one nullifies his faith!  In light of all the scholars 
mentioned and all the authentic ahadeeth we had presented, brother
Suheil is justified in his statement.  You need not ask him of his 
qualification, since every great and well known scholar is already
on the record.

> Also remember that even the offically published Quran by Saudi Govt.
> translates khata an nabiyyeen as the seal of prophets and not the 
> last. So do many other translations.

This is a very misleading comment.  I spent years studying in 
Saudia Arabia and know that, at the beginning of most khutbas, the
scholars reconfirm that the Messenger of Allah(SAW) is "Khatamun-
Anbia, after whom there is no prophet".

Anyhow, I suspect your reference is to Yusof Ali Translation of the
holy Quran printed by Saudia Arabia.  If you read the footnote, you
will see:

  "When a document is sealed, it is complete, and there can be no
   further addition.  The holy Prophet Muhammad closed the long 
   line of Messengers.  Allah's teaching is and will always be
   continuous, but there has been and will be no Prophet after 
   Muhammad.  The later ages will want thinkers and reformers,
   not Prophets.  This is not an arbitrary matter.  It is a decree
   full of knowledge and wisdom: "for Allah has full knowledge of
   all things."

I point out that according to Webster's and Random House Dictionaries,
three of the meanings of the word "Seal" are:

 1. "Anything that tightly or completely closes or secures a thing";
 2. "To close by any form of fastening that must be broken before
     access can be gained";
 3. "To fasten or close tightly, as if by a seal".

Thus, I don't believe it is reasonable or honest to suggest that the
use of the word "Seal" by Saudi translation of the Holy Quran, or 
anyone else, can be taken to support Qadiani's argument.  Didn't the
translators expressed their intention by the use of the word "Seal" 
in the footnote?  In addition, in the Nobel Quran printing of the 
holy Quran, by Saudi Government, the phrase "Last of the Prophets" 
is used.

> You cannot declare a person a kafir for not conforming to your opinion.

This is true.  But the brother was not referring to his opinion.  He
was referring to the decrees of Allah(SWT) and His Messenger(SAW).

> Every body would appreciate if you could ask the Saudi Govt.
> to explain why they don't translate 'khatam an nabiyyeen' as the last
> prophet. 

As I mentioned, they do.  Just check their Nobel Quran printing or the
footnote of the Yusuf Ali copy.

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The holy Prophet(SAW) said:

  "There will arise thirty impostors in my Ummah and each one of them
   will pronounce to the world that he is a prophet, but I am the last
   in the line of the Prophets of God and no Prophet will come after 
   me."  (Tirmidhi, Abu Dawood)

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