[qadianism] Re: [Fwd: [Pakistan Forum] Digest 9036 - 9042]
By Abdul Aziz @axe.humboldt.edu
6:54pm
Mon
8
Feb

Your questions and comments are not new. They have been extensively
researched and responded. Just visit the Ahmadiyya web page. InshaAllah if
you are a rightly guided person you will find the truth.

On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Rashid wrote:

> Dear Readers of [Qadianism]
> Assalamo alaikum
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> I have been a member of this [Pakistan Forum]. Some of the
> Qadianis/Ahmadis are actively posting material on it. After
> just one post, I was banned from posting on this
> forum. If any of you are a member of this forum, kindly post
> the following response:
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> =3D=3D=3DMy response=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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>  pakista-@webs.com.pk  wrote:
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> The following new message has been posted on Pakistan
> Forum at  <http://webs.com.pk/pakistan/forum/index.cgi> in
> response
> to your message.
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> MESSAGE #9095:  Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was not a
> hypocrite !!!
> AUTHOR:  Attia Ahmad-H=FCb < majf.ahma-@rhein-main.net >
> DATE:  Saturday, 6 February 1999, at 3:57 a.m.
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> Response To #9087:  Re: What is the definition of a
> MUSLIM???
> Author:  Dr. Rashid
> Date:  Saturday, 6 February 1999, at 2:23 a.m.
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> Dear Mr Attia and others on this forum
> Assalamo alaikum=20
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> I am tyring to post my response to your post but I have been
> banned from posting on this forum. It seems that I am not
> allowed to post anything from the books of Mirza Ghulam
> Ahmad Qadiani, where as Islam-bashing and Pakistan-bashing
> are allowed by Qadianis/Ahmadis and their sympethisers.
> Naturally in such an atmosphere, they wouldn't like anyone
> to post material exposing the facts about this Jama'at or
> its founder.
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> Following is my response to your post Mr Attia. You wrote:
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> >Dear Dr. Rashid,
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> >how about you swearing on the Holy Qur-an that your
> >attitude and your belief
> >about Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is correct.
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> Yes I swear upon Holy Quran that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani
> has commited all these four sins and therefore in the light
> of Hadith of Holy
> Prophet Muhammad SAAW he was a Perfect Hypocrite.
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> >To do such kind of an oath is not
> >a play, I think you know that, still any Ahmadi Muslim in
> >the world would
> >immediately swear this because it is the truth that Hazrat
> >Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
> >was a prophet, the Mahdi and Messiah and that he indeed
> >did never commit nor
> >any of the sins mentioned in this hadith nor any other sin
> >and that he was not a hypocrite!!!
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> Of course I know the significance, importance and
> implications of taking such an oath on Holy Quran.=20
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> For your information, over the years I have repeatedly
> challenged Mirza Tahir Ahmad Qadiani, the Fourth Khalifa of
> Mirza Ghulam, to do mubahila on this point (Perfect
> Hypocrite) but he has not even acknowledged the reciept of
> it, let alone accepting it. I have yet to come across a
> Qadiani/Ahmadi who is willing to do that. You can see the
> details of this challenge on my website at
> http://alhafeez.org/rashid/
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> >Can you give any evidence that your accusations about
> >Hazrat Mirza Ghulam
> >Ahmad are in any way correct? Try to find any moment or
> >incident of his life
> >that could support your accusations!
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> Do you think I would say such a big thing without any proof?
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> Here is my proof. I will restrict myself to one example
> each, there are plenty more where it came from - the books
> of Mirza Ghulam:
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> The Lies of Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> "Mahdi is not anyone=92s student. I swear that this is exactly
> my condition Nobody can prove that any human has taught me
> Quran =85=85.=94
> (Roohani Khazain Vol 14  p. 394 by Mirza Qadiani)
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> "At 10 years of age an Arabic Teacher was appointed for me
> whose name was Fazal Ahmed =85.and when I was 17 -18 years of
> age I was
> educated by another Molvi Saheb whose nem was Gul Ali Shah,
> who was appointed by my father in Qadian to teach me.=94
> (Roohani
> Khazain Vol 13. P. 180)
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> "When I was 6-7 years old a person teacher was employed for
> me who taught me Holy Quran=85.. and his name was Fazal
> Ilahi.=94 (Roohani
> Khazain Vol 13. P. 180)
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> The Embezzlement of Money & The Broken Promises
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani announced in 1879 that God has
> appointed him to prove the truthfulness of Islam. For this
> purpose he advertised that
> he is going to write a book, Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya, in 50
> volumes. But since he was a poor man, he appealed for money!
> He advertised for
> Muslims to come forward and purchase the book in advance. He
> promised to send them the volumes as soon as they are
> printed.
> (Majmooa-e-Ishtehaarat, Collection of Advertisements, vol.1
> p.18-19)
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> Muslims generously contributed and purchased the book in
> advance as is mentioned in the initial volumes of
> Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya. However
> after publishing 4 volumes in the next 4 years, the reality
> dawned on him. Now for the rest of his life probably he
> would be writing,     publishing
> and distributing Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya - a book for which he
> has already recieved advance payments. In other words no
> further hope of
> monetary gain. He stopped writing the book. Despite protests
> from buyers who had made advance payments or had made
> generous
> contributions for this book. He said:
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> =93Now God is the real and apparent incharge and caretaker of
> this book and I have no idea how many volumes of it
> (Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya ) He
> is going to publish it.=94 ( Roohani Khazain Vol 1 P. 47)
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> Years went by and Mirza Ghulam A. Qadiani, the so-called
> "PROPHET, PROMISED MESSIAH, MAHDI" kept flouting his
> promise. For the
> next 23 years he wrote, published and sold some 80 other
> books. Fifth volume of Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya was not published
> until after 23 years.
> However if someone expected Mirza Ghulam to be remorseful
> about breaking his promises and embezzling the funds given
> to him, then he can
> just forget it. On the contrary he wrote in the preface of
> this 5th volume:
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> "At first I had intended to write 50 parts, but I contended
> with writing 5 and since the difference between 50 and 5 is
> that of a mere ZERO,
> therefore my promise is fullfilled by writing 5 volumes.=94
> (Roohani Khazain Vol 21. P.9)
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> Mirza Ghulam's Abusive Language for his Opponents
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:
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> "Molvis are liars and like dogs eat the dead meat of
> falsehood." (Roohani Khazain vol.11 p.309)
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> "Except for the children of prostitutes, whose hearts have
> been sealed by God, everyone else has accepted me and attest
> to my
> prophethood." (Roohani Khazain vol.5 p. 547)
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> "Enemies have become swines of our jungle and their women
> have (become ) worse than bitches.=94     (Roohani Khazain
> vol. 14 p.53)
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> "Abdul Haq Ghaznavi writes repeatedly that in the prophecy
> of Atham, (christian) priests have won, what can I say in
> reply except: O Badzaat
> (despicable)! Jewish Natured! The face of priest have been
> blackened and so is yours ..... O Khabees! How long are you
> going to live? ...
> especially on this Head of Dajjals and his entire group, ONE
> MILLION shoes of the Curses of Allah may afflict them. O
> Dirty Dajjal ! Prejudice
> has blinded you." (Zamima Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain
> vol.11 p.329)
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> "O Barbarian of some Jungle!.... to hide the truth you have
> eaten this Iguana of falsehood... O badzaat (despicable),
> Khabees (evil)! Enemy of
> Allah and Rasool! You have done this Jewish alteration ...
> but your lie O Worthless has been caught.... the day when
> all these things
> (regarding Mohammadi Begum's prophecy) are fulfilled, then
> on that day would these stupid remain alive? ... There won't
> be any place for them
> to run and their noses would be cleanly cut (they would be
> humiliated) and the black spots of disgrace will turn their
> MANHOOS (accursed)faces like those of pigs and
> monkeys."        =20
> (Zamima Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain vol.11 p.334-337)
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> Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sent some thousand curses on some of the
> Christians. This is nothing unusual, he had always been very
> quick with his cursing like a machine gun. But this time he=20
> really went over board. He literally enumerated these curses
> from=20
> 1 - 1000 in his book Noor-ul-Haq!
>            (Roohani Khazain vol. 8 pp 158-162)
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> I hope that this would suffice.
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> >Besides, you say yourself that according to the Holy
> >Qur-an only Allah knows
> >what is in the hearts so only Allah knows who is a real
> >hypocrite, so how can
> >YOU say anything about anybody, are you in the position to
> >judge the belief of
> >Ahmadis, their recitation of the Kalima ? Did you get any
> >sign from Allah that
> >told you about Ahmadis being hypocrites?
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> The verse that I have produced proves that there are people
> who claim that they are reciting the Kalima, and Allah says
> they are liars, they are
> hypocrites. Do you agree on that or not?
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> Next point is that Holy Prophet SAAW has given us the
> yardstick to judge who is a PERFECT HYPOCRITE. Now I am not
> concerned with Ahmadis, I am concerned with Mirza Ghulam
> whose writings are available for scrutiny. It is not that I
> am trying to read that is in the heart of Mirza Ghulam. His
> writings give us the clear proof that he qulaifies for the
> title of PERFECT HYPOCRITE. Now if Mirza Ghulam proves to be
> a liar, an embezzler, a flouter of his promises and a man
> who has abused his opponents, then you can realise that he
> can never be even a decent man let alone what he claims to
> be viz. prophet or messiah or mahdi.
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> >There are many verses in the Holy Qur-an and many Hadith
> >of the Holy Prophet
> >Mohammed (saws) in which the arrival of the Promised
> >Messiah, Hazrat Mirza
> >Ghulam Ahmad, is mentioned.
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> Please enlighten me with those verses and Hadith which have
> mentioned the arrival of 'Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, as The
> Promised Messiah'.
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> >The signs that would be proof for his arrival are
> >mentioned and already became visible to everybody, you
> >just need to open your eyes and your heart for the truth.
> >May Allah guide you. We pray for you and you should do that,
> >too.
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> May Allah show all Qadianis/Ahmadis what is right and what
> is wrong and then give them the courage to follow the right
> path. Ameen.
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> >Attia Ahmad-H=FCbsch
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> Rashid
> http://alhafeez.org/rashid/
> [Verily in the Remembrance of Allah do hearts find
> Peace.(alQuran)]
>  rasye-@emirates.net.ae 
>  rasyed5-@hotmail.com 
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