[qadianism] Re: I need some answers
By Farhan Qureshi @yahoo.com
2:37am
Tue
9
Feb

Dear Akhi,
I need references to where it says in the Qur'an that Life may be
given to the dead....... Yujj Majooj is refering to the Chrisitans,
who have corrupted Jesus (as), and the Bible, and have made him the
son of Allah (SWT), thus they are Sub-Shirk. For further information I
would suggest you to my home-page at
http://www.freeyellow.com/members4/ahmadiyyat/islam.html

In my view point, this day in age, it seems unlikley for Isa (as) to
come, I can-not see him flying from the sky as the so called "sunni"
Muslims believe, and that every one will be able to see: it is
impossible: seconldy where will he land. It says in the Qur'an in a
place called Rabwa: that is why the Terrorists did not change the name
of Rabwa, Pakistan. Anyhow, the reason why ahmadi Muslims hold the
land of Rabwa is because the Masih already landed there. Anyhow:
please read my page for further elaboration, and comprehend, my age is
only 14, although I will try my best to answer.
Wasslaam,
Farhan  


---Suheil Laher < slahe-@alum.mit.edu > wrote:
>
> Farhan Qureshi wrote:
> 
> > If Isa died why should he come again?? That is what we are asking
you all
> > non-Ahmadis.... According to the Qur'an Isa (as) is dead: Thus He
can-not
> > come back.
> 
> First of all - the Qur'an does not state emphatically that he died.-
> "mutawaffeeka" (used in the Qur'an, and cited by Qadianis in favor
of their
> argument) does not necessarily mean 'cause you to die.'
> - The tafseer attributed to Ibn `Abbas (mutawaffeka : mumeetuka)
appears in
> Sahih al-Bukhari, _but_ as ta`leeq (without an isnad).  It is well
known that
> the ta`leeq od Bukhari is not all authentic; it must be examined
further.
> Hafiz Ibn Hajar has a large work "Taghleeq al-Ta`leeq" in which he
traced the
> chains of narration for the ta`leeq of Bukhari.  The saying in
question
> (attributed to Ibn `Abbas) does not have a reliable isnad. 
Furthermore, it
> appears out of sequence, which casts further doubts on its
reliability.
> - Even if we accept this tafseer : the verse of the Qur'an does not
establish
> that he has already died : "mutawaffeeka" _can_ mean "I will cause
you to die,"
> but in the light of all the evidence, this could be taken as being
at some
> point in the future, after the Second Coming.
> 
> Secondly : even if we were to accept that `Isa (`alayhis-salam) has
died, this
> does not rule out the Second Coming.  There are numerous verses of
the Qur'an
> which tell us of Allah's power to give life to the dead.  So, even
it were to
> be established that he died, what is to prevent Allah from bringing
him back to
> life and sending him back to the earth?  Read and learn from the
book of your
> Lord.
> "[Have you not considered] he who passed by a city which had fallen
into utter
> ruin; he said, 'How will Allah revive this after its death?'  So,
Allah caused
> him to die for a hundred years, and then raised him up." [Qur'an,
2:259]
> "Have you not considered those who emerged from their homes in their
thousands,
> fearing death?  So, Allah told them, 'Die!' and then gave them
life." [Qur'an,
> 2:243]
> 
> > You non-Ahmadis say that Isa will come back and kill all
> > the swine, kafirs etc etc. How??? It is impossible for one
individual
> > to do so.
> 
> Who said he will kill _all_ kafirs, or _all_ swine?  What we say is
that among
> his activities after his return will be the killing of pigs and
killing some
> unbelievers (including the Dajjal).  Similarly, we say he say he
will invite
> people to Islam, but this does not mean he will personally invite
each and
> every person alive at that time.  Besides, it is possible that he
_could_
> perform supernatural acts by the permission of Allah.  We do know,
for example,
> that he will pray to Allah against Ya'juj and Ma'juj, such that they
will all
> die at once as a result of an affliction by a type of worm in their
necks.
> 
> > The Qur'an clearly says.. that Isa is the was only for the
> > Israelis, and their lost tribes: not for the world. So why would he
> > come for the world when it says that he was sent to the
Israelites???
> 
> The Qur'an also prophesies that he will speak to MANKIND, in the
cradle, and IN
> MIDDLE AGE (kahlan = after 40 years).  The speaking in the cradle is
well-known
> - it is his first miracle.  But the second part is yet to be
fulfilled.  When
> Jesus (`alayhis-salam) was lifted from this world, he was 33 years
old, as
> reported by Ibn Katheer and others.  Hence, it will be fulfilled
when he
> returns.  Also, the verse tells us that he will speak to mankind;
not just to
> the Israelites (to whom he was sent, as you mentioned too).  This
indicates to
> us that he will not deal exclusively with Bani Isra'il after his
return.  This
> is quite understandable, for although he is still a prophet, he will
not be
> coming in the capacity of a prophet.  He will come as a follower of
the
> Shari`ah of Muhammad (peace and blessings upon him).
> 
> > And unstead of Isa coming from the Sky, why did not God decide to
send
> > Hadhrat Muhammad (SAW), Al Khatuman Nabiyyan to come from the Sky...
> > obviously a sky decension would show that he is bringing true
Iman???
> 
> In the same way, one could ask : why was not Muhammad (peace and
blessings upon
> him) born without a father?  It is not for us to question the decree
of Allah.
> The attitude of believers should be, 'We have heard, and we obey'
(sami`naa wa
> aTa`naa), and 'We believe, and we affirm' (aamannaa wa-Saddaqnaa).
> Furthermore, the Descent of the Messiah is one of the major signs of
the Day of
> Judgement.  The major signs are supernatural events which occur very
close to
> the end of the world.  The faith of someone who only believes after
seeing such
> things may not be acceptable, as indicated by the Qur'an.
> "On the day when some of the signs of your Lord come, faith will not
benefot a
> soul which had not believed before, or earned good in its [state of]
iman."
> [Qur'an, 6:158]
> 
> > And why does the Qur'an and Hadith all point to the fact the Isa is
> > indeed dead.
> 
> It seems you have not had much exposure to Hadith, and/or that you
have been
> seeing only selective texts and/or imterpretations which are such as
they
> distort the truth.  Please, read and investigate further.  The hadith
> literature contains explicit mention of the fact that Sayyidina `Isa
has not
> died.  e.g. on the authority of Hasan Basri, that the Prophet said
to the Jews
> : "Indeed, Jesus has not died, and indeed, he will return to you
before the Day
> of Arising." [exact reference available upon request]
> 
> > And another shall come in his spirit. In the Injeel  Isa
> > (as) explains, that just as John the Baptist (Hadhrat Yahya) came in
> > spirit od Ezra: Another shall come in his spirit.
> 
> Muslims cannot use the Old or New Testaments as proof, because it is
well known
> that they have been corrupted.
> 
> > Once dead: cannot return!!!!!:
> 
> Already refuted above.
> 
> > Second why should you accept the Messiah???? When The
> > Qur'an says if you reject any messenger of Allah (swt), or his signs
> > you shall enter the gates of Hell.
> 
> If by "the Messiah' you mean "Jesus, son of Mary, the Israelite"
then the
> warning about rejecting a Messenger of Allah is well-placed, for to
reject the
> correct belief about a messenger is tantamount to rejecting the
messenger
> himself.  However, if you mean by "the Messiah" : Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad, then you
> should appreciate that to accept a false prophet is just as serious as
> rejecting a true prophet.    Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings
upon him)
> has confirmed emphatically that there is no new prophet or
messenger.  And
> furthermore, every true prophet has at least one convincing miracle,
> accompanied by exemplary character and morals.
> 
> And Allah is the guide to the Straight Path.
> 
> Imam Ahmad used to pray, "O Allah!  Whoever of this ummah is not on
the truth,
> but thinks he is on the truth, put him on the truth, so that he can
be of the
> People of Truth."
> 
> Suheil


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