[qadianism] Re: Regarding Views/Quotations on Finality of Prophet
By Farhan Qureshi @yahoo.com

Truth of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

                            The truth of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad are
                            conclusivly established by the sayings of the Holy
                            Prophet Muhammad (saww), the Holy Quran, and
                            the writing of Muslim Divines, I will now state
                            some of those sayigs, or otherwise known as
                            Hadithes of the Holy Prophet which give proof to
                            the claims of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad along
                            with a very brief commentry which follows, I will
                            first ask the questions needed to be answered: 

        The first question is when will he come? 

        ~At the time of our Mahdi, there shall be a double eclipse which has
        never occured since the creations of the heavens and the earth...... (Dar
        Qutni, Sunan, Vol.8 page 188) The Glorious eclipses have been further
        elaborated on in the section entitled The truth of the Eclipses. This prophecy
        has been fulfilled. 

        ~A restorer (Mujaddid) will be raised at every century (Abu Daud, vol.2
        page 241). Hazrat Ahmad being the only claimer to the 14th century of

        ~At the time of our Mahdi, the Christian nations will hold Supremacy in
        the world. (Hujajil Karama, Tirmidhi and other sources) 

        ~Islam would have three centuries of greatness, then it would asend
        back to heaven for a thousand years (Bukhari vol.4 in conjunction with
        the Holy Quran (86:1). This brings the start of the revival for to the
        14th century of Hijirah. 

        Where will he Appear? 

        He will come from a place called Qadian (Kadah) (Juwaihir-ul Asrar,
        page 56. 

        He will appear in the East (Ibn Majah, see also Gospels) 

        Who will he be? 

        He will be of the Persian Decent (Bukhari, 65:62,1) 

        The Promised Messiah will be a Prophet of God. (Muslim vol.2 page

        The Mahdi and Messiah will be the one and same person. (Ibn Majah,
        vol.2 page 257 -- Bab Shiddatuz Zaman) This is an imporatant Hadith
        which clearly tells one that the Mahdi and Messiah will be the one and same
        person, exactly fiting with the claims of the Promised Messiah, Mirza
        Ahmad (as). 

        The second advent of Jesus, will be a in the person of an Imam Prophet
        amongst the Muslims (Bukhari Vol.2 page 411) 

        Will he be Jesus, or some one in his spirit? 

        His decent in later ages will be with a different body. (Tafsir Araisul
        Bayan, vol.1 page 262) 

        This notion has been explained by a muslim scholor as well: 

        Some believe that the soul of Jesus will manifest in Mahdi, and the descent
        only means his Baruz. (Iqtibasul Anwar said by: Sheik Muhammad Akram

        Furthermore, we read: 

        He will suffer two illnesses, one in the upper part of the body, and the other
        in the lower part. (Tirmidhi, vol.2 page 38) These were giddiness and

        When they hear of the Messiah's advent they are required to give him
        Bait.(Kanzaz-ul-Ummal, also footnotes to Ibn Hanbal, Masnad, vol.6
        pages 29-30)

        Truthfulness of the Jama'at-Ahmadiyya Wal Islam:

        Hadhrat Ali (ra) said:
        , "Mahdi Maoud will be colored with the glory of Muhammadiyya and will
        have the wealth of Ahmadiyya." (Yanabaiul Muwadat part 3, p. 58)

        What The Scholors Say:

        "Our scholar will be prophet and from among those who call towards the
        truth he will have the station of messengership and our A'arif will be in the
        period of Ahmadi, will be from among oolulazm (those who have strong
        determination) and will receive greatness." (Al Maddad, Al Faidh p.
        38)(Hadhrat Muhammad bin Faris Misri) 

        "Around one thousand and some years after the sad demise of the Holy
        Prophet (peace be upon him), the Haqeeqate (truth) Muhammadiyya will
        ascend from its station and will unite with the place of Haqeeqate (Truth)
        Ka'aba. At that time Haqeeqate Muhammadi (Muhammadi Truth) will be
        called Haqeeqate Ahmadi (Ahmadi Truth)." (Mabda'a 0 Maud) (Hadhrat
        Mujaddid Alif Thani)

        "so among seventy three sects all of them will be in fire and the firqah
        najiyya (sect deserving paradise) will be the one which will have the glory
        of Muhammadiyya and will be following the holy Tareeqatul (practices of)
        Ahmadiyya." (Hadhrat Imam Ali Al-Qari) (Maktaba Imdadiyya Multan pg

        "Hadhrat Mahdi Maoud has the Muhammadi appearance and will descend
        like a leader, he will have a mole near one of his eyes. He will re-establish
        din-e Ahmadi (the Ahmadi practices), our sahib will be bright like the sun
        and beloved of all. He will be learned, wise, king of wisdom and an eternal
        saint. O mir Muhammad Sahah! Mahdi will be decorated with the turban of
        prophethood." (Hadhrat Abdur Raheem Grohri) (A'inae Sikandri vol.2 pg.

         These are only a few of the many proofs of the Promised Messiah (as), be
                     patient as we construct some further proofs. 

--- irsha-@irshad.org  wrote:
> In the Name of Allah(SWT) and Peace and Blessings be upon
> Rasulollah(SAW).
>  < pine.osf.3.96.990206110619.29979c-10000-@axe.humboldt.edu > wrote: 
> Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/qadianism/?start=60
> > 
> > Mr Suheil: I have four complete references... If you are in the 
> > U.S. I can mail them to you.
> I have read the books of Maulana Nanautvi and others, when I was 
> a student in Islamic Universities Pakistan and Saudia Arabia.
> Unfortunately, I do not have these books in my possession, but I
> have my notes and know for sure that your quotes do not represent
> the opinion of these scholars.
> I would like to receive the material you mentioned, as soon as 
> possible, so that I may check them for authenticity.  Kindly 
> send a copy to:
>    Idara Dawat-O-Irshad, USA Inc.
>    P.O. Box 22885
>    Alexandria, VA  22304
> > (2). Your idea that some of the past well recognized Muslim 
> > scholars should be declared as kafirs for their (in your opinion)
> > incorrect interpretation does not have merit.  To do so would 
> > imply that you are a more learned person than those scholars. 
> > Do you have any logical argument to prove that?
> As an observer, I have to point out that this is not what brother
> Suheil wrote.  He rightly pointed out that the highest authority
> for believers should be Quran and Hadith (followed by opinion of
> sahaba and Ijma).  As I pointed out, I disagree with your claim 
> that the quotes mentioned by you are representative of the opinion
> of these scholars, however, if an scholar ever said anything that 
> disagreed with what Allah(SWT) and His Messenger(SAW) have said, 
> should we not reject his opinion?!
> Obviously, we should.  After all, Muslims follow Allah(SWT) and 
> His last Prophet Muhammad(SAW) and know that any one person is 
> only a human being and, as such, can not know everything and may
> make inadvertent mistakes.  Once more, I like to elaborate that
> it is impossible that any scholar of repute would have made a 
> mistake on khatme-nabuwwat, since that is supported by injunction
> from almost 100 ayat, 200 ahadeeth, action of companions, and 
> Ijma for 1400 years.
> Unfortunately, you appear to have forgotten the quotes posted by
> our Idara at the beginning of this exchange.  I believe, if you
> look again, all the towering scholars of Islam were mentioned. 
> They agreed that claimant and supporters of someone's claim to 
> prophethood are to be viewed as unbelievers.  Imam Abu Hanifah(R)
> even issued the fatwa that just by asking for proof from the 
> claimant one nullifies his faith!  In light of all the scholars 
> mentioned and all the authentic ahadeeth we had presented, brother
> Suheil is justified in his statement.  You need not ask him of his 
> qualification, since every great and well known scholar is already
> on the record.
> > Also remember that even the offically published Quran by Saudi Govt.
> > translates khata an nabiyyeen as the seal of prophets and not the 
> > last. So do many other translations.
> This is a very misleading comment.  I spent years studying in 
> Saudia Arabia and know that, at the beginning of most khutbas, the
> scholars reconfirm that the Messenger of Allah(SAW) is "Khatamun-
> Anbia, after whom there is no prophet".
> Anyhow, I suspect your reference is to Yusof Ali Translation of the
> holy Quran printed by Saudia Arabia.  If you read the footnote, you
> will see:
>   "When a document is sealed, it is complete, and there can be no
>    further addition.  The holy Prophet Muhammad closed the long 
>    line of Messengers.  Allah's teaching is and will always be
>    continuous, but there has been and will be no Prophet after 
>    Muhammad.  The later ages will want thinkers and reformers,
>    not Prophets.  This is not an arbitrary matter.  It is a decree
>    full of knowledge and wisdom: "for Allah has full knowledge of
>    all things."
> I point out that according to Webster's and Random House Dictionaries,
> three of the meanings of the word "Seal" are:
>  1. "Anything that tightly or completely closes or secures a thing";
>  2. "To close by any form of fastening that must be broken before
>      access can be gained";
>  3. "To fasten or close tightly, as if by a seal".
> Thus, I don't believe it is reasonable or honest to suggest that the
> use of the word "Seal" by Saudi translation of the Holy Quran, or 
> anyone else, can be taken to support Qadiani's argument.  Didn't the
> translators expressed their intention by the use of the word "Seal" 
> in the footnote?  In addition, in the Nobel Quran printing of the 
> holy Quran, by Saudi Government, the phrase "Last of the Prophets" 
> is used.
> > You cannot declare a person a kafir for not conforming to your opinion.
> This is true.  But the brother was not referring to his opinion.  He
> was referring to the decrees of Allah(SWT) and His Messenger(SAW).
> > Every body would appreciate if you could ask the Saudi Govt.
> > to explain why they don't translate 'khatam an nabiyyeen' as the last
> > prophet. 
> As I mentioned, they do.  Just check their Nobel Quran printing or the
> footnote of the Yusuf Ali copy.
> (c) Idara Dawat-o-Irshad, USA Inc.
> http://www.irshad.org/idara/
> The holy Prophet(SAW) said:
>   "There will arise thirty impostors in my Ummah and each one of them
>    will pronounce to the world that he is a prophet, but I am the last
>    in the line of the Prophets of God and no Prophet will come after 
>    me."  (Tirmidhi, Abu Dawood)

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