[qadianism] Re: More on Second Coming of Isa (A.S.)
By Irshad @irshad.org

> Parvez:
> Assalamu Alaikum

Wa Alaikom Assalamo wa Rahmatollah.

> I am pretty busy these days to participate reguarly. My memory
> appears fading but if it serves correctly, I saw this argument
> before from the Quadianies.  In SRI, a quadianie called Ijaz 
> Rauf produced Nanutvi and another Arab scholar saying that they
> didn't believe in finality of prophethood.  Soon after another 
> brother Fuad Haddad, a converted Muslim from Judaism, checked 
> the details and caught Ijaz Rauf in falsification and 
> fabrication.  Neither Nanutvi nor that Arab scholar (I don't
> remember the name now) wrote anything like that but confirmed
> finality of prophethood.  I thnk Maulana Nanutvi even mentioned
> that anyone who doesn't belive in finality of prophethood is 
> not a Muslim.

JazakAllaho Khairon, brother. My notes already confirm that the
belief of hazrat Maulana Nanutvi(R), on the Finality of
Prophethood, was the same as that of the entire ummah since the
conception of Islam.  I even have a quote where the Maulana calls
those, who think otherwise, unbelievers. I am happy to report that
your recollection is, MashaAllah, quite accurate.

By the way, the other scholar deceitfully used by the Qadiani 
missionaries in those exchanges was Hazrat Abu Abdullah Muhammad
Ali Hussain al Hakim of Tirmidhi(R).  He also believed in the
absolute Finality of Prophethood.

One of our dear brothers forwarded me the exchanges between Dr. 
Ijaz A. Rauf, at the time a high level learned Qadiani missionary
physics professor from Canada, and br. Fuad Haddad [may Allah(SWT)
bless him], a recent convert to Islam.  I believe researchers 
might like to review the entire exchange, for an study into cult 
mentality and religious criminology.  For the believers, it was 
an eye opener, as it showed how low every missionaries and person 
without sincere faith can sink and the type of deceptive arguments
they are able to resort to.

Apparently, no one has heard from Dr. Rauf on internet public 
forums since that exchange.  I hope, for his own sake, that he 
had the foresight and intelligence to give up the fraud he had 
dedicated so much energy and time to and has embraced True Islam.
If he has not, then we can only conclude that he was aware all 
along to be spreading falsehood about Allah(SWT), His Last 
Messenger(SAW), sahaba(RAs), Muslim Scholars(Rs), and the Muslim
ummah.  What a sad faith awaits those who purposely lie and 
exaggerate about the religion of Allah(SWT)!

The exchange carried out on public newsgroups much like what we
have been witnessing on this forum: Muslims relying on quotes from
religious books and Qadiani missionaries putting forth irrelevant
and deceptive arguments.  Then, too, we saw them attempt to twist
the meaning of selected ayat and ahadeeth, use verses of the holy
Quran against Muslims, compare Muslims rejecting Mirza Ghulam to
Jews rejecting Jesus(pbuh), mention alleged mubahalas and miracles,
claiming to be the 73rd sect of Islam, show pride in Cable TV 
program, claim alleged abuse they have suffered as the sign of
their truthfulness, etc.  In short, they came up with every kind
of talk to confuse the naive and the unlearned.  But, not once,
they tried to engage in an honest exchange to discover the truth
or remove misunderstandings, if any.

All of the Qadiani Missionary claims to be truthful, their 
exaggerated claims about the authenticity of their quotes, and
their slogans came to an abrupt end with one posting.  All the 
falsehood and the endless arguments came to an end with one single
quote and, once more, the Truth became clear from Falsehood and
Islam emerged triumphant.

This, dear brother, is why, ever since their shameful defeats
almost a century ago, Qadiani leaders have been fearful to debate
Muslim scholars.  This is the reason for Qadianism having almost
died out, until their leaders moved to the West and, with money 
falling from the sky, they began their campaign of deception anew.

Their falsehood is the reason they do not engage in Mubahalas with
Muslim scholars and this is why they had to shut down their error
laden propaganda web sites, just hours after we sent them a copy
of our article about Dr. Balogun's reversion and exposure of their
methods.  This is why they currently prefer to run their propaganda
shows on TV, unanswered, because they know that Truth, Knowledge, 
and Honest exchanges are their worst enemy.  They have to breadth
hatred and mistrust toward knowledgeable Muslims among their 
followers, otherwise they will see the end of their empire.  May
Allah(SWT) give them faith the size of a mustard seed, so they can
at least stop misguiding the uninformed, under the name of Islam.

> It will be good if the Quadianies can give the original book
> to Irshad as requested so that the truthfulness of them and
> their mirza ghulam ahmad can be tested.

Let's wait and see, then we can make up our mind about Mr. Abdul
Aziz's position, if I receive his alleged books.

> Then, why do the quadianies have to rely on Nanutvi and similar
> people and deny dozens and dozens of authentic and mutawatir 
> hadith from so many authentic books?  Isn't it fraudualant?  
> Islam doesn't rely on any Nanutvi but on Koran and Hadith.  
> Do the Quadianeis know that?

Well said, brother.  I have often wondered about this.  How can
very bad thing happen to people who are born pure and in a state
of Islam?  Of course, the answer is in the Book of Allah(SWT).
All Qadiani leaders had to do was to brainwash and misguide one
person, knowing that their descendants, out of loyalty to their
parents, would remain Qadianis.  Also, as we have seen, they have
been promoting an atmosphere of dislike and mistrust among their
followers and knowledgeable Muslims and Muslim scholars in the 
hope that the friction between Truth and Falsehood, and blind 
hatred and sectarianism will keep their unfortunate followers
attached to the Mission.

> Why do the Quadianies have to bring book like Kanjul Ummal,
> Dar-e-Quatni, Tarikh-e-Hamdhan, Takmilah-majmaul-bihar and
> such kind of unknown, unseen and doubtful book to misinterpret
> all those dubious contents?  Why can't rely on well authenticated
> book like Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawood etc?  Is it that their 
> whole dogma will be blown off like a card house?  Can't the 
> quadianies be honest?

It is required from learned Qadiani missionaries, much like
learned Christian missionaries, to resort to deception, because
they know that the truth is stacked up against them.  Low level
Qadianis are uninformed and just bring forth this type of 
argument, because they lack the knowledge and because they have
naively put their trust in the hands of a pack of wolves who are
leading them directly to Hell.

> Dear Quadianie/Ahmady friends.  Think for yourself rationally.
> Don't follow the path of the Meccan pagans to assert on "our
> forefathers religion" but try to rationally judge and see the
> light.  Otherwise you will end up in hell.  That is a pretty
> hot place, you sure believe me.  

Holy Quran bears witness to this truth.

> May the mercy of Allah(swt) be on you and may He give you the
> Taufiq to see the light.


Irshad wrote:
> > Abdul Aziz:
> > Mr. McKlosky: Dr. Siddiqi is a Ph. D. in religion. The professors
> > who taught him may have been Jewish, christians or Muslims. I
> > have been in touch with Dr. Siddiqi. He refuses to acknowledge a
> > statement by Maulana Nanautvi that 'coming of another prophet
> > during or after the life of Prophet Muhammad will not negate
> > khatam an nabiyyeen'. I sent him the original writing, published
> > by a non-Ahmadi publishing house. So please before you bring him
> > as a witness of last resort, think what I wrote.
> Assuming your account to be accurate, I believe there might be a
> simple explanation for this.  A few months ago, one of our brothers
> presented me with a book which promoted some strange ideas about
> Islam!  The book was professionally printed and, in the inside
> cover, was claiming to have been published in Riyad, Saudia Arabia.
> One of our brothers contacted the Islamic Affairs Department of the
> Saudi Embassy.  The result?  The book was a forgery and not
> published in Riyad, Saudia Arabia.  Apparently, some enemies of
> Islam are trying to introduce false notions in Islam by introduing
> forged books.
> I am hoping to receive the copy of your book, so I can verify it
> against original copy I've already asked for from Pakistan.  I do
> not do this because I have any doubt that Maulana Nanautvi(R)'s
> verdict has been the same as all Muslims scholars.  As I have
> mentioned, my notes show (and I have direct quote from his book)
> that he believed in Finality of Prophethood.  I just asked you for
> the book, because I like to see this "special print" you are
> claiming to possess.
> ================================================================
> Prophet Muhammad(SAW) said:
> "I am Muhammad, I am Ahmad, I am the effacer and infidelity shall be
> erased through me; I am the assembler. People shall be assembled on
> Doomsday after my time. And I am the last in the sense that no prophet
> shall succeed me."  (Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Muatta')
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