[qadianism] Re: I need answer.
By Suheil Laher @alum.mit.edu
5:21am
Sun
14
Feb

Farhan Qureshi wrote:

> Assalaamu Alaikum,

wa`alaykum

> First of all, let me ask you are you a Qur'an or Hadith interpreter?

What I am or am not is irrelevant.  What I am presenting is not my own
ideas, but rather information drawn from clear texts of the Qur'an and
Sunnah.  For some issues where there is some specialized training in
exegesis called for, the material I present is drawn from well-renowned and
qualified sources.  If you need a reference for any particular point(s),
please specify which, and I will furnish you with the references, Allah
willing.

> If not give me an explanation of scholors, or otherwise. Also tell me
> one place in the Qur'an or Hadith where is states that Isa ibn Maryam
> (as) is still living in the heavens........

The Sunnah is a binding authority.  Islam is not restricted to the Qur'an.
As a simple illustration : the Qur'an does not contain description of the
details of the five prayers; it does not even state clearly that the number
of prayers are five.

Please see
http://webpages.marshall.edu/~laher1/sunnah.html
for some further discussion on authority of the sunnah.  If you still have
any questions, please let me know.


> Remember the Quranic
> verse: it is only those who understand the Qur'an who ar especially
> purified by Him. (Al Qur'an)

And what is the criterion for knowing who is purified?  You seem to be
claiming that you (or your leaders) are.  Other groups will probably claim
the same.  There is no tangible proof  of who is correct.  Hence, such a
claim cannot be used for argument.  Rather, one should rely on the Qur'an
and Sunnah, and on honest, rational arguments within the guidelines of these
two.  In this way, if it should turn out that one was honestly mistaken, he
will realize that and be able to correct himself and accept the truth, on
its own merits.
("Indeed, those who strive in Our cause, We shall guide them to our ways.")
[Qur'an]

> Wasslaam,
> Farhan

Was-salam `ala man ittaba` al-hudaa

> ---Suheil Laher < slahe-@alum.mit.edu > wrote:
> >
> > Farhan Qureshi wrote:
> >
> > > Jesus did die, And The Quran and Bible are the evidence to it.
> >
> > The Bible is not a source of proof, otherwise, it would also be an
> > 'evidence' for the 'trinity', as well as an evidence of various other
> > falsehoods.
> >
> > >           "Allah reassured Jesus: O Jesus indeed I will cause thee
> to die,
> > > ....." (Al Quran 3:55)
> >
> > I already discussed this verse in my previous email, and showed how
> it is
> > far from conclusive in saying that Jesus (peace be upon him) died.
> Please
> > refer back to that email; if you have lost it I can re-send it to you.
> >
> > > and are also looking foward to meet Jesus when he decends from the
> sky,
> > > "flying on a chair".
> >
> > Who is it that believes that Jesus (peace be upon him) will be
> "flying on a
> > chair" ?!!  The sunnah states that he will descend on the shoulders
> of two
> > angels.
> >
> > > But if we closley examine the Holy books of Allah (swt)
> >
> > Please remember : the Bible as it exists today is not a reliable
> scripture.
> >
> > >         ~The Holy Quran
> > >
> > >         "The Messiah son of Mary is only a Messenger: Surley
> messengers
> > > like him have passed away before him. And his mother was a
> truthful woman.
> > > They both used to eat food. See how We explain the Signs of Allah
> for
> > > their good, and see how they are turned away." (5:75)
> >
> > This verse contains no mention of death of the Messiah.
> >
> > >        "And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, all Messengers
> have
> > >         passed away before him. If then he die or be slain, will
> you turn
> > > your back
> > >         on your heels?" (Al-Qur'an 3:144)
> >
> > 'Passed away' does not necesarily equate to 'died.'
> >
> > >         "And those on whom they call beside Allah create not
> anything but
> > > they are themselves created. They are dead, not living; and they
> know not
> > > when they will be raised. (Al Qur'an 16:20-21)
> >
> > > -- "Jesus is among those to whom they call beside Allah (Al-Qur'an
> 5:73).
> >
> > Yes, and so are the angels, as also stated in the Qur'an (let me
> know if you
> > can't find the verse -  I can point you to it, inshaAllah).  Since
> there is
> > unanimity that the angels are not dead, they are excepted from this
> verse,
> > so why not except Jesus also, especially in the light of the other
> > compelling evidence.
> >
> > >         Hadhrat Isa (as) said: "And peace is on me on the day I
> was born,
> > > and on
> > >         the day that I DIE, and on the day I shall be raised up to
> life
> > > (again) ."
> > >         (19:33)
> >
> > This indicates that he would die at some point after his birth, and
> this is
> > not a matter of dispute.  But the verse does not at all indicate
> that he
> > already died never to return.
> >
> > >         Hadhrat Isa (as) said: "I said nothing to them except that
> which
> > > you didst
> > >         command me -- 'Worship Allah, my Lord, and your Lord' and
> I was a
> > >         witness over them as longs as I remained among them, but
> since
> > > Thou
> > >         didst cause me to die Thou hast been the Watcher over
> them, and
> > > Thou
> > >         are Witness over all things." (Al Qur'an 5:118)
> >
> > The word used here is "tawaffaytanee" which does not necessarily
> mean death,
> > as discussed before.  Besides, these words will be said on the day of
> > Judgement, and Jesus (peace be upon him) will certainly have died
> before
> > then.
> >
> > >         Hadith
> > >         On the day of Qiyamat (resurrection), some people of my
> Umaah
> > > would be taken towards Hell. Then I shall say, O my Lord! these
> are my
> > > companions'. Then it would be said! 'thou don't know what they
> innovated
> > > after thee".
> > >         Then I say as the righteous servent said: 'I was a witness
> among
> > > them, but
> > >         since thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the
> watcher over
> > > them.'"
> > >         (Bukhari Kitabul Tafseer, Vol. 3 p. 79; Vol 2. p. 159)
> >
> > Perhaps you are suggesting that since Muhammad (peace and blessings
> upon him
> > and his Household) died a natural death, the same should be true of
> Jesus
> > (peace be upon him)?  I'm afraid your logic is faulty because :-
> Jesus will
> > also die a natural death.  In fact, it is very possible that when he
> utters
> > these words it is with regard to those who believed in him correctly
> only
> > after his second coming - when the Major Signs of the Day of
> Judgement had
> > already started.
> > - Using the same words (iqtibaas) does not necessarily imply the same
> > meaning.  Indeed, how often will writers take words from a well-known
> > literary piece or poem, and quote it in a different context, merely
> wishing
> > to draw on the fame of the words?
> > - You are overlooking that Muhammad (peace and blessings upon him)
> was also
> > lifted to Heaven, on the night o Mi`raj, and then returned, and died a
> > natural death some time after returning.
> >
> > >         "If Moses and Jesus had been alive, they would have had to
> believe
> > > in me
> > >         and follow me." (Zurqani, Vol. VI, p. 54; Tibrani Kabeer;
> > > Alyawaqeet Wal
> > >         Jawahir Vol. 2 p.23)
> >
> > Firstly : this hadith is not authentic.  Please provide the isnad,
> so we can
> > examine it and point out the flaws.Secondly : even if it were
> authentic,
> > there is no proof in it for the death of Jesus having occurred.
> This is
> > because it is established through authentic ahadith that "the
> prophets are
> > alive in their graves, performing salah."  So, actually Moses is
> also alive,
> > except that he already underwent death.  Jesus is also alive in the
> Heavens,
> > with some type of life which is best known to Allah, except that he
> has not
> > died at all yet.
> >
> > >         The Holy Prophet (saw) said to his daughter Fatima: "Once
> in every
> > > year,
> > >         Gabriel recited the Qur'an to me. This year he recited
> twice.He
> > > also told
> > >         me that every succeding prophet has lived to half the age
> of his
> > > proceeder.
> > >         He told me that Jesus, son of Mary, lived to 120
> years.Therefore,
> > > I think, I
> > >         may live to about 60 years." (Mawahib-ud-Duniya by
> Qastalani,
> > > Vol.1 p.42,
> > >         and Kanzul-Ummal Vol.6 p. 160)
> >
> > First of all, Qastallani's book is named "al-Mawahib
> > al-Laduniyyah."Secondly, we must examine the isnad of the hadith
> before we
> > can accept it.
> > Thirdly : even if one claimed Jesus had died, there is nothing to
> prevent
> > him being given life again, and then sent back.
> >
> > >         Imam Malik reported: "Isa is has died." (Biharul-Anwar
> Vol. 1 p.
> > > 286)
> >
> > Again, please provide the isnad of this report, and the full title
> of the
> > book.  Is it "BiHaar al-Anwaar" the Shi`ite hadith collection?  Or
> some
> > other book?  Also, we need to examine at the same time other sayings
> and
> > reports from Imam Malik.
> >
> > >           "We granted not abiding life to any human being before
> thee.If
> > > then
> > >            thou shouldst die, shall they have abiding life?" (Al
> Qur'an
> > > 21:35)
> >
> > "khuld" (which the translator above has translated with "abiding
> life") has
> > the meaning, in the Arabic language, of "remaining in a place
> forever, never
> > leaving it."  And it is indeed true that no Prophet has been allowed
> to
> > remain living in this world forever.  Most died natural deaths,
> while a
> > couple were raised out to heaven alive.
> >
> > May Allah grant all the courage to be honest, and to re-examine
> their ideas.
> >
> > And Allah is the granter of success.
> >
> > Suheil
> >



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