[qadianism] Re: I need answer.
By Farhan Qureshi @yahoo.com
5:13am
Wed
17
Feb

As-salaamu `alaykum,

Sulier wrote:
>What I am presenting is not my own
> ideas,

If it is not your work akhi, then give references to where you
recieve such ideas and view points.
Wassalaam,
Farhan


---Suheil Laher < slahe-@alum.mit.edu > wrote:
>
> Farhan Qureshi wrote:
> 
> > Assalaamu Alaikum,
> 
> wa`alaykum
> 
> > First of all, let me ask you are you a Qur'an or Hadith interpreter?
> 
> What I am or am not is irrelevant.   but rather information drawn
from clear texts of the Qur'an and
> Sunnah.  For some issues where there is some specialized training in
> exegesis called for, the material I present is drawn from
well-renowned and
> qualified sources.  If you need a reference for any particular
point(s),
> please specify which, and I will furnish you with the references, Allah
> willing.
> 
> > If not give me an explanation of scholors, or otherwise. Also tell me
> > one place in the Qur'an or Hadith where is states that Isa ibn Maryam
> > (as) is still living in the heavens........
> 
> The Sunnah is a binding authority.  Islam is not restricted to the Qur'an.
> As a simple illustration : the Qur'an does not contain description of the
> details of the five prayers; it does not even state clearly that the number
> of prayers are five.
> 
> Please see
> http://webpages.marshall.edu/~laher1/sunnah.html
> for some further discussion on authority of the sunnah.  If you still have
> any questions, please let me know.
> 
> 
> > Remember the Quranic
> > verse: it is only those who understand the Qur'an who ar especially
> > purified by Him. (Al Qur'an)
> 
> And what is the criterion for knowing who is purified?  You seem to be
> claiming that you (or your leaders) are.  Other groups will probably claim
> the same.  There is no tangible proof  of who is correct.  Hence, such a
> claim cannot be used for argument.  Rather, one should rely on the Qur'an
> and Sunnah, and on honest, rational arguments within the guidelines of these
> two.  In this way, if it should turn out that one was honestly mistaken, he
> will realize that and be able to correct himself and accept the truth, on
> its own merits.
> ("Indeed, those who strive in Our cause, We shall guide them to our ways.")
> [Qur'an]
> 
> > Wasslaam,
> > Farhan
> 
> Was-salam `ala man ittaba` al-hudaa
> 
> > ---Suheil Laher < slahe-@alum.mit.edu > wrote:
> > >
> > > Farhan Qureshi wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jesus did die, And The Quran and Bible are the evidence to it.
> > >
> > > The Bible is not a source of proof, otherwise, it would also be an
> > > 'evidence' for the 'trinity', as well as an evidence of various other
> > > falsehoods.
> > >
> > > >     "Allah reassured Jesus: O Jesus indeed I will cause thee
> > to die,
> > > > ....." (Al Quran 3:55)
> > >
> > > I already discussed this verse in my previous email, and showed how
> > it is
> > > far from conclusive in saying that Jesus (peace be upon him) died.
> > Please
> > > refer back to that email; if you have lost it I can re-send it to you.
> > >
> > > > and are also looking foward to meet Jesus when he decends from the
> > sky,
> > > > "flying on a chair".
> > >
> > > Who is it that believes that Jesus (peace be upon him) will be
> > "flying on a
> > > chair" ?!!  The sunnah states that he will descend on the shoulders
> > of two
> > > angels.
> > >
> > > > But if we closley examine the Holy books of Allah (swt)
> > >
> > > Please remember : the Bible as it exists today is not a reliable
> > scripture.
> > >
> > > >         ~The Holy Quran
> > > >
> > > >         "The Messiah son of Mary is only a Messenger: Surley
> > messengers
> > > > like him have passed away before him. And his mother was a
> > truthful woman.
> > > > They both used to eat food. See how We explain the Signs of Allah
> > for
> > > > their good, and see how they are turned away." (5:75)
> > >
> > > This verse contains no mention of death of the Messiah.
> > >
> > > >        "And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, all Messengers
> > have
> > > >         passed away before him. If then he die or be slain, will
> > you turn
> > > > your back
> > > >         on your heels?" (Al-Qur'an 3:144)
> > >
> > > 'Passed away' does not necesarily equate to 'died.'
> > >
> > > >         "And those on whom they call beside Allah create not
> > anything but
> > > > they are themselves created. They are dead, not living; and they
> > know not
> > > > when they will be raised. (Al Qur'an 16:20-21)
> > >
> > > > -- "Jesus is among those to whom they call beside Allah (Al-Qur'an
> > 5:73).
> > >
> > > Yes, and so are the angels, as also stated in the Qur'an (let me
> > know if you
> > > can't find the verse -  I can point you to it, inshaAllah).  Since
> > there is
> > > unanimity that the angels are not dead, they are excepted from this
> > verse,
> > > so why not except Jesus also, especially in the light of the other
> > > compelling evidence.
> > >
> > > >         Hadhrat Isa (as) said: "And peace is on me on the day I
> > was born,
> > > > and on
> > > >         the day that I DIE, and on the day I shall be raised up to
> > life
> > > > (again) ."
> > > >         (19:33)
> > >
> > > This indicates that he would die at some point after his birth, and
> > this is
> > > not a matter of dispute.  But the verse does not at all indicate
> > that he
> > > already died never to return.
> > >
> > > >         Hadhrat Isa (as) said: "I said nothing to them except that
> > which
> > > > you didst
> > > >         command me -- 'Worship Allah, my Lord, and your Lord' and
> > I was a
> > > >         witness over them as longs as I remained among them, but
> > since
> > > > Thou
> > > >         didst cause me to die Thou hast been the Watcher over
> > them, and
> > > > Thou
> > > >         are Witness over all things." (Al Qur'an 5:118)
> > >
> > > The word used here is "tawaffaytanee" which does not necessarily
> > mean death,
> > > as discussed before.  Besides, these words will be said on the day of
> > > Judgement, and Jesus (peace be upon him) will certainly have died
> > before
> > > then.
> > >
> > > >         Hadith
> > > >         On the day of Qiyamat (resurrection), some people of my
> > Umaah
> > > > would be taken towards Hell. Then I shall say, O my Lord! these
> > are my
> > > > companions'. Then it would be said! 'thou don't know what they
> > innovated
> > > > after thee".
> > > >         Then I say as the righteous servent said: 'I was a witness
> > among
> > > > them, but
> > > >         since thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the
> > watcher over
> > > > them.'"
> > > >         (Bukhari Kitabul Tafseer, Vol. 3 p. 79; Vol 2. p. 159)
> > >
> > > Perhaps you are suggesting that since Muhammad (peace and blessings
> > upon him
> > > and his Household) died a natural death, the same should be true of
> > Jesus
> > > (peace be upon him)?  I'm afraid your logic is faulty because :-
> > Jesus will
> > > also die a natural death.  In fact, it is very possible that when he
> > utters
> > > these words it is with regard to those who believed in him correctly
> > only
> > > after his second coming - when the Major Signs of the Day of
> > Judgement had
> > > already started.
> > > - Using the same words (iqtibaas) does not necessarily imply the same
> > > meaning.  Indeed, how often will writers take words from a well-known
> > > literary piece or poem, and quote it in a different context, merely
> > wishing
> > > to draw on the fame of the words?
> > > - You are overlooking that Muhammad (peace and blessings upon him)
> > was also
> > > lifted to Heaven, on the night o Mi`raj, and then returned, and died a
> > > natural death some time after returning.
> > >
> > > >         "If Moses and Jesus had been alive, they would have had to
> 
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