[qadianism] Re: I need some answers
By Farhan Qureshi @yahoo.com
4:01pm
Sat
20
Feb

And Mr Rashid Ali please explain where you have gotton your
informatrion from that Isa ibn Maryam eats in heaven, and he is 
still alive? Does he float?? Anyhow my point is that Where does 
it say thatJesus 9as) is dead, you were never ever able to answer
that question!!! Unstead you just babled upon the statement that 
even if Isa ibn Maryam (as) was dead why cound not he live again:
according to yourself he is still alive: prove you self in this
statemen please!!!!! 


---Rashid < rasye-@emirates.net.ae > wrote:
>
> Mr Farhan
> 
> You read my story about a boy who had bet with his friend that the bufallo
> is white, evn though his father explained to him that the bufallo si black
> and that he has lost the bet, his son said that he will never loose the bet
> becuase he will never accept the bufallo is black.
> 
> Similarly despite two clear cut Quranic verses about the bringing of the
> dead to life in this world by Allah directly, this has failed to convince
> you and now your argument is that they were visions of Syedna Abrahim and
> Syedna Uzaiz AS.
> 
> However, even if we accept your argument, for the sake of argument (and may
> Allah forgive me for saying this), that Allah do not, will not give again
> life to people on this earth.
> 
> Anyway what I fail to understand is this: How does this affect the belief of
> Muslims? Yes it may be a problem for Qadianis who believe that Jesus is
> dead, but we Muslims believe that He is still alive.
> 
> Now as to how he is getting food in the heavens, every day astronauts are
> going up into the space, they stay there over extended periods of time. How
> do they get food? How do they survive? How will people survive in the
> heavens after the fate of people have been decided on the day of Qiyamah?
> Will angels bring them dinner and food?
> 
> It seems to me that man has become more powerful, according to your
> understanding of Allah's Powers. Man can go and sustain themselves in space
> for months and years, and ma'azAllah, Allah cannot sustain one person and
> arrange for his food. Think Mr Farhan what are the implications of your
> belief. The deviation from the straight forward truth has led you into a
> territory where the more you progress, the more unrealistic and even
> unscientific you are becoming.
> 
> Wassalam to those who follow the hidayah.
> Rashid
> 
> Farhan Qureshi wrote:
> 
> > While you Mr. Ali await Jesus (as) to come from the sky for the rest
> > of you life, let me remind you, the dead to not come back from life.
> > It has never been the actions of Allah (SWT)! So why now? Especially
> > since it is stated in the Qur'an:
> >
> > "Thou will never find a change, a deviation, in the practice of Allah"
> > (Al Quran 35:43).
> >
> > If you say Isa ibn Maryam (as) is still alive and is in the heavens:
> > number 1: how does he survive? The angels bring him food and diner?
> > Does he and his body float up there? Does it state in the Qur'an and
> > Hadith that he is indeed alive still in the heavens? If you have no
> > answer to these questions, and you reject the above  Quranic verse
> > that Allah (SWT) does not bring dead back to life: what is your
> > explanation? I understand If I get no reply..... just like I never
> > recieved one about your Satanic claims and predictions about Hadhrat
> > Khalifatul Masih the 4th.
> >
> > Wassalaam,
> > Farhan
> >
> > ---Rashid < rasye-@emirates.net.ae > wrote:
> > >
> > > Mr Farhan
> > >
> > > i think you should try a little harder to keep up with the latest
> > scientific
> > > advancement.
> > > Your statement that " It is phisically impossible for a body
> > ascention to
> > > heaven" smacks of simple bigotry. Man has reached moon, is walking
> > in space,
> > > is planning to make colonies on moon, planning to send a manned
> > mission to
> > > Mars and you say that it is a scientific impossibility to ascend to
> > heavens.
> > > I think if anything, it proves more than ever that Jesus went to
> > heavens.
> > > When man made science can advance to an extent that man can walk and
> > live in
> > > space for several years, why can' t Allah do that? Why do you think
> > it is
> > > abnormal?
> > >
> > > Rashid
> > >
> > >
> > > Farhan Qureshi wrote:
> > >
> > > > Why are you so hard headed. You take what one says, and corrupt
> > it!!!!
> > > > Allah can do what-ever he pleases!!!!! And there is no doubt in
> > that.
> > > > But Allah (SWT) does not do these kinds of things. If Allah(SWT)
> > > > wanted I you could turn into a clown right now; but Allah(SWT) is
> > not
> > > > abnormal. It is phisically impossible for a body ascention to
> > heaven.
> > > > Why would not the Holy Prophet come back if it were that way, or
> > > > Moses????? Why Jesus (as). Once again you were unable to answer me
> > by
> > > > giving me evidence from the Qur'an, or Hadith. Ya Allahu Khair,
> > > > Wassalaam,
> > > > Farhan
> > > >
> > > > --- umaraadi-@excite.com  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Glory be to Allah! Can there be even the slightest doubt that
> > Allah
> > > > can
> > > > > raise from the dead whomever He chooses? The qadiani position that
> > > > Allah
> > > > > lacks the ability to do so shows how very far outside Islam they
> > > > have gone.
> > > > > May Allah guide them to the Straight Path!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 10:28:09 -0500, Suheil Laher wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Farhan Qureshi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Akhi,
> > > > > > > I need references to where it says in the Qur'an that Life
> > may be
> > > > > > > given to the dead.......
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See again my message of yesterday :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "[Have you not considered] he who passed by a city which had
> > > > fallen
> > > > > > into utter
> > > > > > > ruin; he said, 'How will Allah revive this after its death?'
> >  So,
> > > > > > Allah caused
> > > > > > > him to die for a hundred years, and then raised him up."
> > [Qur'an,
> > > > > > 2:259]
> > > > > > > "Have you not considered those who emerged from their homes in
> > > > their
> > > > > > thousands,
> > > > > > > fearing death?  So, Allah told them, 'Die!' and then gave them
> > > > > > life." [Qur'an,
> > > > > > > 2:243]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In my view point, this day in age, it seems unlikley for Isa
> > > > (as) to
> > > > > > > come, I can-not see him flying from the sky as the so called
> > > > "sunni"
> > > > > > > Muslims believe, and that every one will be able to see: it is
> > > > > > > impossible: seconldy where will he land.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The ahadith specify that Jesus, the Israelite prophet, will land
> > > > in the
> > > > > > Shaam area (Palestine/Syria).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - sl
> > > > > >

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