[qadianism] Re: I need some answers
By Farhan Qureshi @yahoo.com

Dear Rashid, regarding how Hadhrat Isa eats in heaven, if you are
knowledgable of the Qur'an, you would remember the ayah where is says:

"The Messiah son of Mary is only a Messenger: Surley messengers like
him have passed away before him. And his mother was a truthful woman.
They both USED to eat food. See how We explain the Signs of Allah for
their good, and see how they are turned away." (5:75)  

If you read the Arabic, and the and transalation, you will see that
eating food is used in the past tense!!! Thus they no longer eat
food!!!!!!!! Explain this. PLEASE EXPLAIN. 

---Rashid < rasye-@emirates.net.ae > wrote:
> Mr Farhan
> You keep repeating the same thing.
> > And Mr Rashid Ali please explain where you have gotton your
> > informatrion from that Isa ibn Maryam eats in heaven, and he is still
> > alive? Does he float??
> Are you trying to be funny Mr Farhan?For me the statement of Rasoolullah
> SAAW is enough whereby He says that Eisa Ibne Maryam will descend from
> Heavens. I do not ask how & why or what is he eating in heavens, whether he
> is alive in heavens or dead or whether he floats. It was you or one of your
> associates who asked what does he eats in heavens.
> > Anyhow my point is that Where does it say
> > thatJesus 9as) is dead, you were never ever able to answer that
> > question!!!
> Mr Farhan. I never said that he is dead. It is the belief of every Muslim,
> from the time of Rasoolullah till today, that Hazrat Eisa AS ibne Maryam did
> not die, nor was he crucified, he ascended to heavens and will return before
> the last hour.
> > Unstead you just babled upon the statement that even if
> > Isa ibn Maryam (as) was dead why cound not he live again: according to
> > yourself he is still alive: prove you self in this statemen please!!!!!
> Farhan, there is no proof for me greater than the Hadith of Rasoolullah
> SAAW. Rasoolullah said that Eisa ibne Maryam is going to come and I believe
> Him. Whether Eisa AS is alive or dead, it doesn't concern me.
> Even your 'prophet' Mirza Ghulam used to believ the same thing:
> "... the prophecy regarding the coming of Maseeh AS is a first grade
> prophecy which has been accepted unanimously. And among all the prophecies
> in Sahah (the six authentic works of Hadith), none can match it....... Now
> to discredit so much evidences and to say that all these are fabricated is
> the work of those people who had not recieved any insight and knowledge of
> what is right from God."
> (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.400)
> "....And Hazrat Maseeh (AS) will descend on the earth with great might and
> will clean all the ways of dirt. There will not remain a trace of evil."
> (Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya Part 4, Roohani Khazain, vol 1, p.593)
> However the with the passage of time, when he changed the nature of his
> claims, his beliefs also changed. And the basis for such a change? His own
> revelation, not Quran, not Hadith but his own waahi!
> "God has revealved to me in his special inspiration that Maseeh ibne Maryam
> is dead."
> (Tauzeeh-e-Maram, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.402)
> And do you know why he claimed to be Messiah? Because it was Hakeem Nuruddin
> who suggested to him:
> "Whatever you have written that if I leave aside the Hadith of Damascus
> (about the coming of Messiah) and put forth the claim of Maseel Maseeh, then
> what is the harm in it? I do not want to become Maseel  Maseeh...."
> (Maktoobaat-e-Ahmadiyya vol 5 No. 2 p.85)
> However the temptation was too great to resist and ultimately he started
> claiming to be Maseel Maseeh:
> "I have claimed to be Maseel Maseeh, which stupid people thinks that it is
> Promised Messiah ..... I have never claimed to be the Messiah ibne Maryam.
> Anyone who accuses me of it, he is absolutely a liar and fabricator. I have
> been constantly announcing for the last eight years that i am Maseel Maseeh,
> that is, Hazrat Eisa AS's certain spiritual properties and nature and habits
> and virtues has been given to me as well by God AlMighty." (Izala-e-Auham,
> Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.192)
> Note that Mirza is denying that he is the Promised Messiah in this
> quotation. However once again he could not resist very long. he announced:
> "I proclaim that I am the Promised Messiah about whom every God's book has
> prophecised that he will appear in the Last Days."
> (Tohfa-e-Golravia, Roohani Khazain vol 17 p.295)
> "I swear upon that God, who has sent me and fabricating on Him is the work
> of accursed one, He has sent me as Promised Massiah."
> (Majmoo'a-e-Ishtiharaat vol 3 p.435)
> You see Farhan, how stepwise Mirza has progressed his claims. However the
> biggest hurdle was the Hadith of Rasoolullah SAAW where He has repeatedly
> mentioned the Messiah by name and his mother's name, always saying Eisa Ibne
> Maryam or Maseeh Ibne Maryam. Can you think of any ways, how Mirza might
> have over come this hurdle? Let me tell you:
> >From Mirza ibne Chiragh Bibi to Eisa ibne Maryam:
> "God named me Maryam in the third part of Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya. Then as
> evident by Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya,  for two years I grew as Maryam; then like
> Maryam the soul of Jesus was breathed into me and I was made pregnant,
> metaphorically, and after many months, which were not more than 10 months,
> through inspiration, I was converted into Jesus. Thus, like this I became
> Eisa ibne Maryam." (Kishtee-e-Nooh, Roohani Khazain vol 19 p. 87-89)
> Hmnnn..... life is becoming too complicated?
> Now let me make your life easier. Since every Qadiani believe in the
> following:
> 1. Eisa Ibne Maryam is dead
> 2. He will not come back again.
> 3. Someone else will take his place
> 4. THAT someone is Mirza Ghulam
> Agreed?
> This means there is no use trying to discuss Khatam/life or death of Jesus.
> Let us focus our attention on the man who is claiming that he is Jesus
> re-incarnate. Let us scrutinize the character of the man who says that:
> "It has been revealed to me that this humble self in my Poverty and Humility
> and Reliance on God and Sacrifices and According to Signs and Radiances, is
> an exact replica of the first life of Maseeh; and this humble self's nature
> and the nature of Maseeh resembles each other so much as if two pieces of
> the same atom or two seeds of the same tree."
> (Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya Part 3, Roohani Khazain vol 1 p.593)
> Now since it is the God who has revealed to Mirza that he is an exact
> replica of Hazrat Eisa Ibne Maryam AS, let us see scrutinize the character
> and life of Mirza Ghulam, how far it resembles that of Eisa AS.
> Wassalam
> Rashid
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