[qadianism] Re: I need some answers
By Suheil Laher @alum.mit.edu
2:08pm
Mon
22
Feb

Farhan,

Please stop and ponder over this.  You are not replying to the 
request to provide evidence that it was not an actual happening.
What you have stated -- regarding "the nature of Allah" 
-- is a speculative opinion.  How do we know about Allah's way 
(sunnah)?  Through the Qur'an and hadith, of course. And, these
texts contain a number of examples of violations of the normal
course of events, in thr form of mu`jizaat and karaamaat.  Yes,
these may not occur very frequently, but the point remains that
they do occur.  Is it not much more sensible to expand your idea
of what the way of Allah is? Expand it to the form of : "Allah
does not effect violations of the laws of nature, except on 
relatively rare occasions, as a sign to people and/or to strengthen
their faith."    Otherwise, just as an illustration, what is to
prevent someone else from coming along and claiming that Heaven and
Hell are merely symbolic of one's fate in this world, and that life
after death does not really exist?!

And Allah guides to the straight path.

- Suheil

Farhan Qureshi wrote:

> If you read the entire ver correctly of Hahrat Abraham it is obvious
> it was only an example. Prophet Ibhrahim (as) asks him how can you
> create man and bring him back to life, and allah (swt) replies to him
> saying you do not believe I can do so??? ie. Allah (swt) just as an
> example shows him that yes I can bring the dead back to life ,
> although it is not in his (swt) nature to do so, it is not his (swT)
> sunnah. It is just and example to show what he will do on the Day of
> Judgement!!!!
> Wassalaam,
> Farhan
>
> ---Suheil Laher < slahe-@alum.mit.edu > wrote:
> >
> > Farhan Qureshi wrote:
> >
> > > The verses you gave me refer to vissions Hadhrat Ezekiel (as) had;
> >
> > Firstly, there is no unanimity that the man was Ezekiel, but that is besides
> > the point right now.Now, on what basis do you presume it is merely a
> > vision?  The verses make no mention of a vision.  Rather, they are
> > describing actual happenings.
> >
> > > Also see Al Qur'an 12:4 (without Bis millah as a Ayah)
> >
> > This is about a vision of Prophet Yusuf.  The word "ru'yaa" (vision) is
> > explicitly used, and later in the surah the idea that it was not something
> > physcial is fortified.  I don't understand your logic here.  Are you trying
> > to say that since Prophet Yusuf had a vision, therefore the death and
> > raising up of the man who passed by the ruined city must also be a vision?
> > If so, then what is your proof for such a claim?
> >
> > > For Hadhrat  Ezekiel to die and come back to life was not his prayer in
> > > the first place if you read around the Ayah.
> >
> > Which prayer?  And in any case, Allah is not confined to doing only what
> > people ask for.
> >
> > > Along with the Prophet Abraham (as) Ayah, it is also a vision of
> > > Hadhrat Abraham (as) of connecting four birds. While life after death
> > > signifies the paradise which lies ahead of us as stated in the Qur'an
> > > sever al times.
> > >
> >
> > Was-salam `ala man ittba` al-huda
> >
> > Suheil
> >
> > > ---Rashid < rasye-@emirates.net.ae > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Farhan Qureshi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Why could
> > > > > not the Holy Prophet (SAW)? Obviously he is far greator and Al
> > > > > Khatuman Nabiyyan (SAW). Why would Allah (SWT) not send him
> > > unstead???
> > > >
> > > > President visit once, but the ministers or other junior Government
> > > officials
> > > > are sent repeatedly.Does that reduces the importance or greatness of
> > > the
> > > > President?
> > > >
> > > > > Please give me
> > > > > a verse where it states that Life on Earth can be given after
> > > > > death???? And none of you explanations please.
> > > >
> > > > Surah Baqarrah. verse 260
> > > >
> > > > Behold! Abraham said: "My Lord! show me how thou givest life to the
> > > dead.
> > > > He said: "Dost thou not then believe?"  He said: "Yea! but to
> > > satisfy my own
> > > > understanding."  He said: "Take four birds; tame them to turn to
> > > thee; put a
> > > > portion of them on every hill and call to them; they will come to thee
> > > > (flying) with speed.  Then know that Allah is Exalted in Power Wise."
> > > >
> > > > Surah Baqarah: verse 259
> > > > Yusuf Ali
> > > > Or (take) the similitude of one who passed by a hamlet all in ruins
> > > to its
> > > > roofs.  He said: "Oh! how shall Allah bring it (ever) to life after
> > > (this)
> > > > its death?"  But Allah caused him to die for a hundred years then
> > > raised him
> > > > up (again).  He said: "How long didst thou tarry (thus)?"  He said:
> > > > "(perhaps) a day or part of a day."  He said: "Nay thou hast tarried
> > > thus a
> > > > hundred years; but look at thy food and thy drink; they show no
> > > signs of
> > > > age; and look at thy donkey: and that We may make of thee a Sign
> > > unto the
> > > > people look further at the bones how We bring them together and
> > > clothe them
> > > > with flesh!  When this was shown clearly to him he said: "I know
> > > that Allah
> > > > hath power over all things."
> > > >
> > > > Pickthall
> > > > Or (bethink thee of) the like of him who, passing by a township
> > > which had
> > > > fallen into utter ruin, exclaimed: How shall Allah give this
> > > township life
> > > > after its death? And Allah made him die a hundred years, then
> > > brought him
> > > > back to life. He said: How long hast thou tarried? (The man) said: I
> > > have
> > > > tarried a day or part of a day. (He) said: Nay, but thou hast
> > > tarried for a
> > > > hundred years. Just look at thy food and drink which have rotted!
> > > Look at
> > > > thine ass! And, that We may make thee a token unto mankind, look at
> > > the
> > > > bones, how We adjust them and then cover them with flesh! And when
> > > (the
> > > > matter) became clear unto him, he said: I know now that Allah is
> > > Able to do
> > > > all things.
> > > >
> > > > And no explanations needed indeed.
> > > >
> > > > > Shukraan.
> > > > > Wasslaam,
> > > > > Farhan
> > > >
> > > > Wassalam
> > > > Rashid


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