[qadianism] Re: Fwd: I need some answers
By umaraadil @excite.com
11:49am
Wed
24
Feb

The qadiani  position reminds me of a long-ago episode of Monty
Python. A customer returns to the pet shop that he left only 
1/2 hour before. The customer had purchased a parrot, which he
later discovered was dead.

The pet shop clerk insisted that the parrot was still quite alive,
only asleep. So the customer pulled the dead parrot out of the cage
and held it by its feet. Then the customer started slamming it on
the clerk's counter, while yelling, "WAKE UP, POLLY!" 
"WAKE UP!" And even then the clerk did not admit the truth.

The qadianis are like the clerk. The truth is shown to them, as I 
have done below, but they ignore it. Wake up, Polly!

> From: Farhan Qureshi < farhan-@yahoo.com >
> To:  umaraadi-@excite.com 
> Subject: Re: [qadianism] Re: I need some answers
> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:29:25 -0800 (PST)
> Message-ID: < 19990220192925.28130.rocketmai-@send104.yahoomail.com >
> 
> Dear Akh umaraadil,
> Yes I will conver IF YOU CAN prove me wrong. I do not lie when I say
> this!! 
> 
> Although you have not done so as of yet:
> 
> > Surah Al-Baqarah, Ayat 259
> 
> Allah (swt) says:
> 
> "Oh! How will Allah ever bring it to life after its death?" So Allah
> > caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again).
> He said:
> > "How long did you remain in this STATE?" He (the man) said:
> "(Perhaps) I remained
> > (dead) a days or part of a day." He said: "Nay, you have remained IN
> THIS STATE for
> > a hundred years, look at your food and your drink, they show no
> change; and
> > look at your donkey! And thus have We made of you a sign for the
> people.
> > Look at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with
> flesh".
> > When this was clearly shown to him, he said, "I know (now) that
> Allah is
> > Able to do all things."
>  
> He was not dead because he was in a <i>state</i> of unconciousness!!
> He was not actually dead. When we go to sleep is it not as if we are
> dead? Allah (swt) did not take his life away, but put him to sleep.
> 
> the other verse:
> 
> And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) said, "My Lord! Show me how You
> give
> > life to the dead." He (Allah) said: "Do you not believe?" He [Ibrahim
> > (Abraham)] said: "Yes (I believe), but to be stronger in Faith." He
> said:
> > "Take four birds, then cause them to incline towards you (then
> slaughter
> > them, cut them into pieces), and then put a portion of them on every
> hill,
> > and call them, they will come to you in haste. And know that Allah is
> > All-Mighty, All-Wise."
>  
> It was an example for Hadhrat Ibhrahim!!!! He wanted to know how he
> will bring us to life again on the day of judgement. Allah (swt)
> showed him an example so his heart may be at ease. My point is that
> Allah (swt) can bring life back to the dead, but it is not his sunnah
> do so so:
> 
> "Thou will never find a change, a deviation, in the practice of Allah"
> (Al Quran 35:43) 
> 
> On a second note, what does this have to do with Hadhrat Isa (as)? You
> have not provided me with evidence that Isa is still alive in the
> heavens!!!! Give me any Hadith or Qura'anic verse so I may know....
> Wassalaam,
> Farhan 
> 
> 
> --- umaraadi-@excite.com  wrote:
> >
> > Alhamdulillah!
> > 
> > You said that if I can prove you wrong that you will convert!
> Insha'Allah,
> > you will now convert, be on true guidance, and enjoy the blessings of
> > Islam.
> > 
> > Here is what you wrote:
> > 
> > "let me remind you, the dead to not come back from life. It has
> never been
> > the actions of Allah (SWT)!"
> > 
> > And here is what Allah, mighty and glorious is He, says:
> > 
> > Surah Al-Baqarah, Ayat 259:
> > 
> > Or like the one who passed by a town and it had tumbled over its
> roofs. He
> > said: "Oh! How will Allah ever bring it to life after its death?" So
> Allah
> > caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again).
> He said:
> > "How long did you remain (dead)?" He (the man) said: "(Perhaps) I
> remained
> > (dead) a days or part of a day." He said: "Nay, you have remained
> (dead) for
> > a hundred years, look at your food and your drink, they show no
> change; and
> > look at your donkey! And thus have We made of you a sign for the
> people.
> > Look at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with
> flesh".
> > When this was clearly shown to him, he said, "I know (now) that
> Allah is
> > Able to do all things."
> > 
> > Surah Al-Baqarah, Ayat 260:
> > 
> > And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) said, "My Lord! Show me how
> You give
> > life to the dead." He (Allah) said: "Do you not believe?" He [Ibrahim
> > (Abraham)] said: "Yes (I believe), but to be stronger in Faith." He
> said:
> > "Take four birds, then cause them to incline towards you (then
> slaughter
> > them, cut them into pieces), and then put a portion of them on every
> hill,
> > and call them, they will come to you in haste. And know that Allah is
> > All-Mighty, All-Wise."
> > 
> > Surah al-Imran, ayat 49:
> > 
> > And will make him ['Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of
> Israel
> > (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I
> design for
> > you a bird out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and
> breathe into
> > it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's Leave; and I heal him who was
> born
> > blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allah's Leave.
> And I
> > inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely,
> > therein is a sign for you, if you believe."
> > 
> > Surah al-Maidah, ayat 110:
> > 
> > (Remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection). "O 'Iesa
> > (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your
> mother
> > when I supported you with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)] so that
> you spoke
> > to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when I taught you
> writing,
> > Al-Hikmah (the power of understanding), the Taurat (Torah) and the
> Injeel
> > (Gospel); and when you made out of the clay, as it were, the figure
> of a
> > bird, by My Permission, and you breathed into it, and it became a
> bird by My
> > Permission, and you healed those born blind, and the lepers by My
> > Permission, and when you brought forth the dead by My Permission;
> and when I
> > restrained the Children of Israel from you (when they resolved to
> kill you)
> > since you came unto them with clear proofs, and the disbelievers
> among them
> > said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'"
> > 
> > Surah Al-Maidha, Ayat 120:
> > 
> > To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all
> that is
> > therein, and He is Able to do all things.
> > 
> > A few other references (by Surah number/Ayat number). Please note
> that this
> > list is by no means exhaustive:
> > 
> > 2:28
> > 2:55-56
> > 2:117
> > 2:154
> > 2:156
> > 2:164
> > 2:255
> > 3:47
> > 3:59, 60
> > 3:169
> > 6:60
> > 6:95
> > 7:12
> > 7:158
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:12:33 -0800 (PST), Farhan Qureshi wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Akhi,
> > > You can talk but not prove me wrong!!! If you can do so and I will
> > > convert!!!!!
> > > Wassalaam,
> > > Farhan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- umaraadi-@excite.com  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is what is written below the words of Farhan Qureshi only, or does
> > > this
> > > > represent the official qadiani position? In addition to their
> other
> > > errors,
> > > > do the qadianis doubt the power and majesty of Allah? Surely they
> > > are a
> > > > people misguided!
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:16:27 -0800 (PST), Farhan Qureshi wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > While you Mr. Ali await Jesus (as) to come from the sky for
> the rest
> > > > > of you life, let me remind you, the dead to not come back from
> life.
> > > > > It has never been the actions of Allah (SWT)! So why now?
> Especially
> > > > > since it is stated in the Qur'an:
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Thou will never find a change, a deviation, in the practice of
> > > Allah"
> > > > > (Al Quran 35:43). 
> > > > > 
> > > > > If you say Isa ibn Maryam (as) is still alive and is in the
> heavens:
> > > > > number 1: how does he survive? The angels bring him food and
> diner?
> > > > > Does he and his body float up there? Does it state in the
> Qur'an and
> > > > > Hadith that he is indeed alive still in the heavens? If you
> have no
> > > > > answer to these questions, and you reject the above  Quranic
> verse
> > > > > that Allah (SWT) does not bring dead back to life: what is your
> > > > > explanation? I understand If I get no reply..... just like I
> never
> > > > > recieved one about your Satanic claims and predictions about
> Hadhrat
> > > > > Khalifatul Masih the 4th. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Wassalaam,
> > > > > Farhan   
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ---Rashid < rasye-@emirates.net.ae > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mr Farhan
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > i think you should try a little harder to keep up with the
> latest
> > > > > scientific
> > > > > > advancement.
> > > > > > Your statement that " It is phisically impossible for a body
> > > > > ascention to
> > > > > > heaven" smacks of simple bigotry. Man has reached moon, is
> walking
> > > > > in space,
> > > > > > is planning to make colonies on moon, planning to send a
> manned
> > > > > mission to
> > > > > > Mars and you say that it is a scientific impossibility to
> ascend
> > > to
> > > > > heavens.
> > > > > > I think if anything, it proves more than ever that Jesus
> went to
> > > > > heavens.
> > > > > > When man made science can advance to an extent that man can
> walk
> > > and
> > > > > live in
> > > > > > space for several years, why can' t Allah do that? Why do you
> > > think
> > > > > it is
> > > > > > abnormal?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Rashid
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Farhan Qureshi wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Why are you so hard headed. You take what one says, and
> corrupt
> > > > > it!!!!
> > > > > > > Allah can do what-ever he pleases!!!!! And there is no
> doubt in
> > > > > that.
> > > > > > > But Allah (SWT) does not do these kinds of things. If Allah
> > > (SWT)
> > > > > > > wanted I you could turn into a clown right now; but Allah
> > > (SWT) is
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > abnormal. It is phisically impossible for a body ascention
> to
> > > > > heaven.
> > > > > > > Why would not the Holy Prophet come back if it were that
> way, or
> > > > > > > Moses????? Why Jesus (as). Once again you were unable to
> > > answer me
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > giving me evidence from the Qur'an, or Hadith. Ya Allahu
> Khair,
> > > > > > > Wassalaam,
> > > > > > > Farhan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- umaraadi-@excite.com  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Glory be to Allah! Can there be even the slightest doubt
> that
> > > > > Allah
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > raise from the dead whomever He chooses? The qadiani
> > > position that
> > > > > > > Allah
> > > > > > > > lacks the ability to do so shows how very far outside
> Islam
> > > they
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
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