[qadianism] Re: I need some answers
By Farhan Qureshi @yahoo.com
11:56am
Wed
24
Feb

I have agreed with many things in this e-mail as well; although
Dead coming to life again was not the subject in the firsr place
is was is Isa (AS) still alive?? Please elaborate on this.
Wassalaam,
Farhan


---Suheil Laher < slahe-@alum.mit.edu > wrote:
>
> Farhan,
> 
> Please stop and ponder over this.  You are not replying to the request to
> provide evidence that it was not an actual happening.  What you have stated
> -- regarding "the nature of Allah" -- is a speculative opinion.  How do we
> know about Allah's way (sunnah)?  Through the Qur'an and hadith, of course.
> And, these texts contain a number of examples of violations of the normal
> course of events, in thr form of mu`jizaat and karaamaat.  Yes, these may
> not occur very frequently, but the point remains that they do occur. Is it
> not much more sensible to expand your idea of what the way of Allah is?
> Expand it to the form of : "Allah does not effect violations of the laws of
> nature, except on relatively rare occasions, as a sign to people and/or to
> strengthen their faith."    Otherwise, just as an illustration, what is to
> prevent someone else from coming along and claiming that Heaven and Hell are
> merely symbolic of one's fate in this world, and that life after death does
> not really exist?!
> 
> And Allah guides to the straight path.
> 
> - Suheil
> 
> Farhan Qureshi wrote:
> 
> > If you read the entire ver correctly of Hahrat Abraham it is obvious
> > it was only an example. Prophet Ibhrahim (as) asks him how can you
> > create man and bring him back to life, and allah (swt) replies to him
> > saying you do not believe I can do so??? ie. Allah (swt) just as an
> > example shows him that yes I can bring the dead back to life ,
> > although it is not in his (swt) nature to do so, it is not his (swT)
> > sunnah. It is just and example to show what he will do on the Day of
> > Judgement!!!!
> > Wassalaam,
> > Farhan
> >
> > ---Suheil Laher < slahe-@alum.mit.edu > wrote:
> > >
> > > Farhan Qureshi wrote:
> > >
> > > > The verses you gave me refer to vissions Hadhrat Ezekiel (as) had;
> > >
> > > Firstly, there is no unanimity that the man was Ezekiel, but that is
> > besides
> > > the point right now.Now, on what basis do you presume it is merely a
> > > vision?  The verses make no mention of a vision.  Rather, they are
> > > describing actual happenings.
> > >
> > > > Also see Al Qur'an 12:4 (without Bis millah as a Ayah)
> > >
> > > This is about a vision of Prophet Yusuf.  The word "ru'yaa" (vision)
> > is
> > > explicitly used, and later in the surah the idea that it was not
> > something
> > > physcial is fortified.  I don't understand your logic here.  Are you
> > trying
> > > to say that since Prophet Yusuf had a vision, therefore the death and
> > > raising up of the man who passed by the ruined city must also be a
> > vision?
> > > If so, then what is your proof for such a claim?
> > >
> > > > For Hadhrat  Ezekiel to die and come back to life was not his
> > prayer in
> > > > the first place if you read around the Ayah.
> > >
> > > Which prayer?  And in any case, Allah is not confined to doing only
> > what
> > > people ask for.
> > >
> > > > Along with the Prophet Abraham (as) Ayah, it is also a vision of
> > > > Hadhrat Abraham (as) of connecting four birds. While life after
> > death
> > > > signifies the paradise which lies ahead of us as stated in the
> > Qur'an
> > > > sever al times.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Was-salam `ala man ittba` al-huda
> > >
> > > Suheil
> > >
> > > > ---Rashid < rasye-@emirates.net.ae > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Farhan Qureshi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Why could
> > > > > > not the Holy Prophet (SAW)? Obviously he is far greator and Al
> > > > > > Khatuman Nabiyyan (SAW). Why would Allah (SWT) not send him
> > > > unstead???
> > > > >
> > > > > President visit once, but the ministers or other junior Government
> > > > officials
> > > > > are sent repeatedly.Does that reduces the importance or
> > greatness of
> > > > the
> > > > > President?
> > > > >
> > > > > > Please give me
> > > > > > a verse where it states that Life on Earth can be given after
> > > > > > death???? And none of you explanations please.
> > > > >
> > > > > Surah Baqarrah. verse 260
> > > > >
> > > > > Behold! Abraham said: "My Lord! show me how thou givest life to
> > the
> > > > dead.
> > > > > He said: "Dost thou not then believe?"  He said: "Yea! but to
> > > > satisfy my own
> > > > > understanding."  He said: "Take four birds; tame them to turn to
> > > > thee; put a
> > > > > portion of them on every hill and call to them; they will come
> > to thee
> > > > > (flying) with speed.  Then know that Allah is Exalted in Power
> > Wise."
> > > > >
> > > > > Surah Baqarah: verse 259
> > > > > Yusuf Ali
> > > > > Or (take) the similitude of one who passed by a hamlet all in
> > ruins
> > > > to its
> > > > > roofs.  He said: "Oh! how shall Allah bring it (ever) to life
> > after
> > > > (this)
> > > > > its death?"  But Allah caused him to die for a hundred years then
> > > > raised him
> > > > > up (again).  He said: "How long didst thou tarry (thus)?"  He
> > said:
> > > > > "(perhaps) a day or part of a day."  He said: "Nay thou hast
> > tarried
> > > > thus a
> > > > > hundred years; but look at thy food and thy drink; they show no
> > > > signs of
> > > > > age; and look at thy donkey: and that We may make of thee a Sign
> > > > unto the
> > > > > people look further at the bones how We bring them together and
> > > > clothe them
> > > > > with flesh!  When this was shown clearly to him he said: "I know
> > > > that Allah
> > > > > hath power over all things."
> > > > >
> > > > > Pickthall
> > > > > Or (bethink thee of) the like of him who, passing by a township
> > > > which had
> > > > > fallen into utter ruin, exclaimed: How shall Allah give this
> > > > township life
> > > > > after its death? And Allah made him die a hundred years, then
> > > > brought him
> > > > > back to life. He said: How long hast thou tarried? (The man)
> > said: I
> > > > have
> > > > > tarried a day or part of a day. (He) said: Nay, but thou hast
> > > > tarried for a
> > > > > hundred years. Just look at thy food and drink which have rotted!
> > > > Look at
> > > > > thine ass! And, that We may make thee a token unto mankind, look
> > at
> > > > the
> > > > > bones, how We adjust them and then cover them with flesh! And when
> > > > (the
> > > > > matter) became clear unto him, he said: I know now that Allah is
> > > > Able to do
> > > > > all things.
> > > > >
> > > > > And no explanations needed indeed.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Shukraan.
> > > > > > Wasslaam,
> > > > > > Farhan
> > > > >
> > > > > Wassalam
> > > > > Rashid

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