[qadianism] Re: Hei Farhan
By Ali Illias @super.net.pk

Ask him (Farhan) about this question which have been twice 
posted on this forum but nobody touched this point.



 According to Mirza Sahib:

            a) Jesus(ph) died in 120 A.D.(see ref. 1)

            b) Jesus was worshipped as God or Son of
               God after Jesus died. Even SEED SOWING of
               this association with God was done after
               death of Jesus. (see ref. 2)

            c) SEED SOWING of association was done by
               St. Paul. (see ref. 3)


St. Paul died around '65' A.D. Therefore, Jesus(ph) was made son of God
by St. Paul atleast '55' years (120-65=55) before the death of Jesus(ph)

(See ref. 4)

                                LAST PROPHET
When Qadianis discuss with me, they love to discuss on Khatme Nabuwwat .
I tell them frankly that  by discussing on Khatme Nabuwwat they want to
prove only  that Mirza is a true prophet.

I tell them  quite openly that ONLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION let us
believe that not one but 3000 more true prophets are to come. But if
4000 prophets come 1000 will be false. Mirza is among the 3000 or 1000.

There was no Khatme Nabuwwat issue in the time of Moses(ph) and
Jesus(ph). When any one claimed to be the Nabi, the deciding factor
was:  Is he truly right guided or not  ? MIRZA IS NOT !!!
See Quran Majeed Ayat 36/21 : Follow those who ask not of you any hire
and are (themselves rightly) guided.

According to the above arguments Mirza Saheb is not rightly guided and
therefore should not be followed in the light of Qura'n Majeed. 


1)  "Hence, I shall prove in this book that Jesus (Peace be upon him)
did not die on the Cross neither did he go up to the Heavens nor it
should ever be hoped that he will return to the earth from the Heavens; 
rather, he died at the age of 120 years in Srinagar in Kashmir, and his
grave is in the Khanyar Region of Srinagar."  
(Maseeh Hindustan Mein, (Jesus in India) Roohani Khazain vol.15 p.14)

2)  "The Holy Quran clearly says that the Masih was lifted to the
heavens after his death.  Therefore his descent is symbolic and not
real.  And in the verse 'Falamma Tawaffeteni' it has been clearly
manifested that death of Hazrat Isa (pbuh) has already taken place. 
Because the meaning of the verse is that the Christians will go astray
after the death of Hazrat Isa (pbuh) and not during his lifetime.  So if
we assume that Hazrat Isa (pbuh) is not yet dead, then we will have to
agree that the Christians are not yet digressed, and this is absolutely
false.  Rather the verse is saying that the Christians remained faithful
only until the life-time of Hazrat Isa (pbuh).  From this it becomes
known that corruption had already begun during the time of Disciples. 
If the period of the Disciples had been such that the Christians had
still been on right path, then in this verse Allah would not have linked
it with the life-time of Hazrat Isa (pbuh) only, but would have included
the life time of the disciples as well.  Thus at this juncture a very
good point of the period of corruption in Christianity is illustrated
and which is that IN TRUTH, during the time of the Disciples themselves,
the SEEDS OF SHIRK (associating partner with God) were sown in
(Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain vol. 11 p.321)

3)  "All the bad things were introduced in this religion (Christianity)
by Paul.  Hazrat Isa was such an unselfish person that He did not even
want anyone to call him a pious man but Paul made him God."
(Chasma-e-Maseehi, Roohani Khazain vol. 20 p.375)

 "And in the very first instance, he (Paul) implanted the bad seedling
of Trinity in Damascus.  And this Pauline Trinity started from
Damascus.  It is towards this that Hadith Shareef has hinted that the
future Maseeh will descend on the eastern side of Damascus."
(Chasma-e-Maseehi, Roohani Khazain vol. 20 p.377)

4)  In this book, Chasma-e-Maseehi, Mirza Sahib has clearly stated that
St. Paul was responsible for the doctrine of Holy Trinity and thus
turning Hazrat Isa into God.  It is a well known fact that St. Paul died
in 64 AD or 67 AD. The book 'The 100' gives the year of his death as 64
AD.  Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics says:

"That he suffered martyrdom at Rome there can be no doubt…the date will
lie between A.D. 64 and 67, most probably nearer the former than the
later limit." 
(Encyclopaedia vol. 9 p.694)


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